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Posted by: MacTCP on 2007-06-13 11:14:02
My problem is so similar to the one here, that I'll edit it to the problem I'm having:
I have a Quadra 700 with OS 7.5.0*.
The MacTCP and Network control panels do not remain in the control panels folder when I keep trying to install them after I restart. They turn into invisible files instead, which they are useless as.
I tried to delete the control panel folder and reput all the control panels plus fresh Network and MacTCP control panels in, but the problem just happens again.
How do I fix it? I need to use these control panels for networking.
*I can't go higher than 7.5.0 for many reasons so I can't solve the problem that way.
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Posted by: ~tl on 2007-06-13 12:15:10
Use the Network Software Selector application which should be in the Apple Extras folder on your hard disk. That lets you choose between "classic networking" (i.e. using the Network and MacTCP control panels) and using Open Transport. I'm guessing your machine is set to use Open Transport currently, and hence the system is getting rid of the Network control panel when you add it.
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Posted by: wally on 2007-06-13 12:16:22
Does your Apple Extras folder have a Network Software Selector application in it, to select between classic networking, and open transport networking modes? You might be in open transport mode, with the AppleTalk and TCP/IP control panels in command...
Right around 7.5.5, you have this choice hidden away I think in the Extras folder, of all places, but maybe elsewhere, do not know about 7.5. [🙂] ]'>
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Posted by: MacTCP on 2007-06-13 12:19:45
I thought of that, but network software selector thinks itself is a document! I'll try getting a new copy because that seems like what would work.
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Posted by: MacTCP on 2007-06-13 12:46:37
No matter what I do, it thinks it's a document. How do I fix this? I've heard of ResEdit fixing things like this.
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Posted by: MacTCP on 2007-06-13 13:05:30
I changed it to an application using resedit, but it says to reinstall Network Software Selector.
Here's my plan:
1.I'm going to install Open Transport even though it's incompatible with 7.5.0, just to gain access to the network software selector.
2.Once it's set to classic networking, I'll delete Open Transport and it's components to leave it in Classic Networking permanently.
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Posted by: MacTCP on 2007-06-13 13:28:27
Classic Networking has been restored!
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Posted by: Dominicus on 2007-06-13 15:09:29
Yup, all versions before 7.5.2 don't recognize the network software selector..and unfortunately the only way to install open transport on these earlier versions is to install 1.1 first (good luck finding a copy..Apple doesn't have it anymore)..
I might tho if you really need it...
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Posted by: MacTCP on 2007-06-13 15:53:07
Actually, I have OT 1.1 on an ancient Earthlink disc. I installed it then uninstalled it, and classic networking worked again. There must have been some leftover OT bits from something. The OT read me said you shouldn't use OT with anything but OS 7.1.x, and 7.5.3 and higher. No 7.5.0 so I decided to not use it. Classic Networking should be fine though, once I receive my AAUI-RJ-45 dongle.
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Posted by: LCGuy on 2007-06-13 16:03:46
Just remember that MacTCP is a byatch to configure, and that it doesn't support DHCP!
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Posted by: MacTCP on 2007-06-13 16:08:18
No DHCP? I guess I won't be going online with this then. But I can still file share and that's what I really have to do.
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Posted by: LCGuy on 2007-06-13 16:16:19
I haven't used MacTCP in years, but i'm certain it only supports static IP addressing.
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Posted by: Flash! on 2007-06-14 01:35:55
Instead of uninstall/re-installing networking software, could you possibly delete all your networking Preferences to force it back to classic networking (or to no network at all, so you can set it how you want) ????
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Posted by: ~tl on 2007-06-14 04:35:55
Actually, I have OT 1.1 on an ancient Earthlink disc... If there isn't a copy on the Hotline server already, then you should upload it...
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Posted by: MacTCP on 2007-06-14 09:12:38
What's the address of it?
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Posted by: MacTCP on 2007-06-14 15:40:46
I uploaded it.
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Posted by: Shaddam IV on 2026-09-10 01:00:38
Hello, I'm trying to find the Network Software Selector - I don't have it on my Powerbook 540c running 8.1, and I want to use Classic Mac networking, not Open Transport. I don't need AppleTalk, I just need to access the Internet every once in a while.
Where can I find Network Software Selector? The Garden doesn't seem to have it, at least not standalone... Thanks! |
Posted by: Forrest on 2026-09-10 16:17:32
I think OS8.0 and later all use Open Transport, which handles all networking protocols.
You’ll have difficulty connecting to most web sites, as the overwhelming majority use https, which old Mac browsers don’t support. You can probably use frogfind.com to access websites with your 540c.
I think the Network Software Selector was just for System 7.5.x. |
Posted by: adespoton on 2026-09-10 17:41:24
I think OS8.0 and later all use Open Transport, which handles all networking protocols.
You’ll have difficulty connecting to most web sites, as the overwhelming majority use https, which old Mac browsers don’t support. You can probably use frogfind.com to access websites with your 540c.
I think the Network Software Selector was just for System 7.5.x. Network Software Selector worked with 7.1.x and 7.5.3 and 7.5.5. However, MacTCP isn't going to work well with the modern Internet anyway; it only provides a basic TCP stack and leaves the rest for you to configure yourself. Worked pretty well in conjunction with MacPPP or MacSLIP, which do a lot of the heavy lifting over a phone line connection, but on its own over Ethernet, you need to bring everything up manually whenever you want to get it working, with the correct manual IP, gateway, DNS, etc.
On Mac OS 8.1, Open Transport is the only option. And it's a pretty good one too; you can do plenty of configuration to streamline it and make it behave like MacTCP in the ways you'd want while still handling DHCP and other niceties we've become accustomed to. |
Posted by: Shaddam IV on 2026-09-14 00:45:44
ok, thanks - i was looking for ways to reduce the Mac OS 8.1 memory footprint, I'm on a 12 MB Powerbook 540. I'll stick with OT then. OT 1.3 was installed when I installed Mac OS 8.0 and 8.1; there is an updater to OT 1.3.1 - is it worth applying? |
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