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Posted by: croissantking on 2023-03-22 15:36:21
Couple of quick questions, I have a Rage 128 PCI card in my beige G3 with Rev. C ROM and when I use the onboard video it still thinks a monitor is connected to the Rage 128. Is this because the card is faulty?
Also, I can’t get a picture from the Rage 128 on my AppleColor Hi-Res RGB display, even if I set it to 640x480 at 67Hz. Are these two completely incompatible? |
Posted by: Phipli on 2023-03-22 15:54:35
Couple of quick questions, I have a Rage 128 PCI card in my beige G3 with Rev. C ROM and when I use the onboard video it still thinks a monitor is connected to the Rage 128. Is this because the card is faulty?
Also, I can’t get a picture from the Rage 128 on my AppleColor Hi-Res RGB display, even if I set it to 640x480 at 67Hz. Are these two completely incompatible? Hum, I've used a Rage 128 in a beige G3 with the later 640x480 apple trinitron I swear, I wouldn't have thought that was any different.
What drivers are you using? |
Posted by: croissantking on 2023-03-22 15:55:57
Just the standard ATI ones that come with Mac OS 9.2.2. |
Posted by: Phipli on 2023-03-22 16:00:33
Just the standard ATI ones that come with Mac OS 9.2.2. See if you have more luck with this one :
Remove the current one and store it in a folder first. |
Posted by: croissantking on 2023-03-22 16:09:54
Yup will try this; thanks kindly. |
Posted by: croissantking on 2023-05-24 09:45:03
Just to update on this, the drivers did not help. I don’t think the ATI card even detects the monitor - it’s likely just not compatible. |
Posted by: croissantking on 2023-05-24 12:43:26
My Rage 128 has some other weird issues (always thinks a monitor is connected, even when one isn’t; causes lockups in Mac OS 10.2.8) so maybe it’s just my particular card. I will try to get hold of another, or ideally, a Radeon. |
Posted by: Phipli on 2023-05-24 12:44:55
My Rage 128 has some other weird issues (always thinks a monitor is connected, even when one isn’t; causes lockups in Mac OS 10.2.8) so maybe it’s just my particular card. I will try to get hold of another, or ideally, a Radeon. Why not have a careful look at the board. It's probably a short or a cut trace. People store them in drawers and it damages them. |
Posted by: croissantking on 2023-05-24 21:14:12
Why not have a careful look at the board. It's probably a short or a cut trace. People store them in drawers and it damages them. Good idea. |
Posted by: croissantking on 2023-06-30 05:20:39
Just to follow up, because it’s nice to tie up old forum posts, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with my Rage card. I’ve pulled out another similar card from a Yikes! G4 and it does the same thing - thinks a monitor is connected when one isn’t, on my Beige.
It’s a bit annoying when I want to use the built-in video and the mouse goes off-screen onto a phantom display. I’m now in the process of flashing a Radeon 7000 PCI so let’s see if it exhibits a similar behaviour. |
Posted by: LaPorta on 2023-06-30 06:41:20
Just a question: when did the cards start becoming monitor aware? Older Macs just assume there’s a monitor if there’s a card. |
Posted by: croissantking on 2023-06-30 07:06:35
Is that right? The internal video on the Beige doesn't activate if there's no monitor plugged in. I guess PCI cards are handled differently, then. |
Posted by: LaPorta on 2023-06-30 07:09:19
I can’t speak to it, I only know that on NuBus machines, it is treated as if a monitor is there if a card is there. Not sure when this was implemented, just curious. |
Posted by: Phipli on 2023-07-02 03:20:59
Just a question: when did the cards start becoming monitor aware? Older Macs just assume there’s a monitor if there’s a card. Not on a Beige Mac, or most cards. That was a thing that some early (80s mostly) cards did. Apple cards were always aware if a monitor was there or not and I don't think I've ever seen a Mac PCI video card that reported a monitor when one wasn't connected. |
Posted by: croissantking on 2023-07-02 04:03:04
The mystery thickens. Maybe something else to do with my setup then including my cursed Rev C ROM? |
Posted by: Phipli on 2023-07-02 04:07:23
The mystery thickens. Maybe something else to do with my setup then including my cursed Rev C ROM? I'll try to remember to double check next time I have my G3 + rage 128 set up. |
Posted by: croissantking on 2023-08-12 18:18:38
I guess it's drivers. After installing much newer ATI drivers from around 2004 or 2005, the issue (with a phantom monitor) has gone away.
See if you have more luck with this one :
Remove the current one and store it in a folder first. Just to confirm I did try the one you suggested previously with no luck. |
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