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| Recommended SSD IDE Solutions for G3 iBooks? | |
| Posted by: macuserman on 2022-12-05 10:28:10 Pretty much the title, anyone have a solution for an SSD to IDE 2.5" solution in a G3 iBook? I'm specifically looking for a late model drive so if there is any issues with the clamshell models etc that shouldn't impact me. 14" G3 700-900Mhz machine is the target here. There are several options out there, but wanted to save myself the buy and try churn if someone has already got something that they know works. Thanks! | |
| Posted by: Phipli on 2022-12-05 10:40:03 If it isn't a daily driver, 12 hours / day machine, I've had excellent luck with these in my Pismos and 1400. This specific style has a laptop style IDE connector and full size SD Card. Note that they run faster than my stock Pismo drives by quite a way! 
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Posted by: macuserman on 2022-12-05 11:10:14If it isn't a daily driver, 12 hours / day machine, I've had excellent luck with these in my Pismos and 1400. This specific style has a laptop style IDE connector and full size SD Card. Note that they run faster than my stock Pismo drives by quite a way!Nice! It's for my son to run educational software on it, so it will get a fair bit of use although not 12hours a day or anything like that. Still trying to source the right machine but wanted to know what ssd options are out there. Was pretty set on the high end G3 iBooks but the GPU issues are killing my options there. Almost no choice of functional machine for sale, just parts units on fleabay. I may have to reconsider, I had him setup with a G3 tower but it takes up to much space for how often he uses it, so trying to find a laptop equivalent, and avoiding G4 units for reasons... | |
Posted by: Phipli on 2022-12-05 11:17:31Nice! It's for my son to run educational software on it, so it will get a fair bit of use although not 12hours a day or anything like that. Still trying to source the right machine but wanted to know what ssd options are out there. Was pretty set on the high end G3 iBooks but the GPU issues are killing my options there. Almost no choice of functional machine for sale, just parts units on fleabay. I may have to reconsider, I had him setup with a G3 tower but it takes up to much space for how often he uses it, so trying to find a laptop equivalent, and avoiding G4 units for reasons...Have you considered a Mac Mini, or is it all G4s, not just laptops? You can run OS 9 on the 1.25 and 1.42 (I believe there are issues on the 1.5) with a patched version of OS 9. | |
| Posted by: Skate323k137 on 2022-12-05 11:42:37 I'm currently using an mSATA in my Pismo with an adapter. It's quite nice. If you want info on it let me know but I found it on this same forum. | |
Posted by: macuserman on 2022-12-05 12:12:01Have you considered a Mac Mini, or is it all G4s, not just laptops? You can run OS 9 on the 1.25 and 1.42 (I believe there are issues on the 1.5) with a patched version of OS 9.It needs to be easily put away so has to be a laptop. Also really only looking for native OS9 support I could get a TI book I do love them, I have had several over the years but I wanted something a bit tougher since it's my kid who will be using it and I don't want him to have to baby it as much. I also just prefer a G3 if possible due to personal taste. Wonder if herd could redo the GPU on a iBook G3 and have it last vs all the shimming and other nonsense people try. I'm currently using an mSATA in my Pismo with an adapter. It's quite nice. If you want info on it let me know but I found it on this same forum.OK I can probably search that, I do like Pismo machines a lot and they are pretty tough, I was looking for something a little bit faster though. | |
Posted by: Skate323k137 on 2022-12-05 13:21:24OK I can probably search that, I do like Pismo machines a lot and they are pretty tough, I was looking for something a little bit faster though.If a (slightly?) newer machine uses the same HDD interface, it should be OK. When using an adapter to IDE/PATA, I like using mSATA enclosures when possible over SD card for endurance sake, and the speed is good. | |
Posted by: joshc on 2022-12-14 22:24:25I'm currently using an mSATA in my Pismo with an adapter. It's quite nice. If you want info on it let me know but I found it on this same forum.Which mSATA adapter and which mSATA SSD do you tend to use? Im looking for a solution for my Pismo. | |
Posted by: ArmorAlley on 2022-12-15 02:05:21Pretty much the title, anyone have a solution for an SSD to IDE 2.5" solution in a G3 iBook?I'm using an mSATA card in an IDE-mSATA adapter in my Mac Mini G4 and it benchmarks substantially faster than my 32GB IDE SSD, a CF card in an adapter or an SD card in an adapter. Both mSATA card and adapter are generic cards from AliExpress. | |
Posted by: joshc on 2022-12-15 03:17:48I'm using an mSATA card in an IDE-mSATA adapter in my Mac Mini G4 and it benchmarks substantially faster than my 32GB IDE SSD, a CF card in an adapter or an SD card in an adapter.I guess on this basis any of the ones on eBay should work too. | |
| Posted by: Daniël on 2022-12-15 04:00:40 I wouldn't consider mSATA in 2022. The drives have gotten scarce, whatever's left is mostly low grade junk. M.2 superseded mSATA, as it supports both NVMe (PCIe bus) and SATA. Cheap 128GB OEM drives from slightly better quality manufacturers than most available mSATA manufacturers can be had cheap, but you do need to specifically look for SATA drives. Cheap M.2 SATA NGFF to 2.5" IDE adapters are available on AliExpress and such, most people seem to have good luck with them (They use the JM20330 chipset, similar to some other full SATA and mSATA adapters). | |
Posted by: Skate323k137 on 2022-12-15 04:47:05Which mSATA adapter and which mSATA SSD do you tend to use? Im looking for a solution for my Pismo.Drive Transcend 128GB SATA III 6GB/S MSA230S mSATA SSD 230S Solid State Drive TS128GMSA230S https://a.co/d/1GRnQKb Adapter Ableconn IIDE-MSAT mSATA SSD to 2.5-Inch IDE Adapter Converter with Aluminum Frame Bracket - Latch and Retain mSATA SSD as 9.5mm 2.5" IDE SSD Drive https://a.co/d/124RjML It's been rock solid, funny that the adapter costs more than the drive now though. | |
Posted by: ArmorAlley on 2022-12-15 06:15:14I wouldn't consider mSATA in 2022. The drives have gotten scarce, whatever's left is mostly low grade junk. M.2 superseded mSATA, as it supports both NVMe (PCIe bus) and SATA. Cheap 128GB OEM drives from slightly better quality manufacturers than most available mSATA manufacturers can be had cheap, but you do need to specifically look for SATA drives. Cheap M.2 SATA NGFF to 2.5" IDE adapters are available on AliExpress and such, most people seem to have good luck with them (They use the JM20330 chipset, similar to some other full SATA and mSATA adapters).This is good to know and would explain the cheap prices. Back up regularly & often is my take-away here. | |
| Posted by: Skate323k137 on 2022-12-15 07:04:07 M.2 would be interesting, if I ever run into issues in the Pismo or need to upgrade another similar system I'll give it a shot. I normally try to use actual SSDs over CF or SD because of concern for longevity of multiple writes, but I can't scientifically back that up so don't take it as gospel (Do mSATA SSD's usually do wear leveling?) | |
Posted by: davidg5678 on 2022-12-15 07:53:40I wouldn't consider mSATA in 2022. The drives have gotten scarce, whatever's left is mostly low grade junk. M.2 superseded mSATA, as it supports both NVMe (PCIe bus) and SATA. Cheap 128GB OEM drives from slightly better quality manufacturers than most available mSATA manufacturers can be had cheap, but you do need to specifically look for SATA drives. Cheap M.2 SATA NGFF to 2.5" IDE adapters are available on AliExpress and such, most people seem to have good luck with them (They use the JM20330 chipset, similar to some other full SATA and mSATA adapters).Interesting! I never realized m.2 sata and mSATA we're different technologies. I just checked the m.2 sata prices, and they seem pretty reasonable, so I'll have to give it a try when I need a new IDE SSD. | |
| Posted by: joshc on 2022-12-15 08:57:05 Good point, M.2 would make more sense these days. I'll have a look to see what the options are. | |
Posted by: Daniël on 2022-12-15 12:01:09Interesting! I never realized m.2 sata and mSATA we're different technologies. I just checked the m.2 sata prices, and they seem pretty reasonable, so I'll have to give it a try when I need a new IDE SSD.mSATA preceded M.2 by a few years. M.2 basically replaced it and mini-PCIe in one fell swoop. Good point, M.2 would make more sense these days. I'll have a look to see what the options are.You can sometimes find sellers with lots of multiple drives, pulled from old laptops that were upgraded. I bought ten 128GB drives, seemingly a common capacity for budget laptops, for 7,50 euros each. With the adapter, it's not too bad for maxing out the storage on the earlier IDE PPC Macs that have the 128GB addressing limit. | |
Posted by: joshc on 2023-02-20 16:39:59Ableconn IIDE-MSAT mSATA SSD to 2.5-Inch IDE Adapter Converter with Aluminum Frame Bracket - Latch and Retain mSATA SSD as 9.5mm 2.5" IDE SSD Drive https://a.co/d/124RjMLThis is very pricey, especially in the UK. Any reason to use this particular one? Do the cheaper ones from China not work? E.g. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/385069858698 | |
Posted by: Skate323k137 on 2023-02-20 17:01:35This is very pricey, especially in the UK. Any reason to use this particular one? Do the cheaper ones from China not work?I can't say it would not work, I'd be curious to know if it does, and I would probably try it. The prices on these things for mSATA have changed a lot even since I've done it, unfortunately 😕 | |
| Posted by: mdeverhart on 2023-02-21 06:58:31 I recently put one of the cheap Amazon adapters and mSATA SSDs into a 12” PowerBook G4 and it seemed to work well. I haven’t used it much other than a fresh restore of the stock software, so I can’t vouch for the long term stability (or how it would work on other IDE machines of the era). CY mSATA Mini PCI-E SATA SSD to... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GRMUQRG SSD SATA mSATA 120GB Dogfish... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07JWG5GP2 | |
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