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Posted by: LaPorta on 2019-06-18 09:51:57
Hello everyone,
I have been looking for a way for a while to get files to and from my Mac Mini server running 10.14 with my PowerTower Pro running OS 8.6. AFP will not work, and FTP, while it works, is less than ideal. I was hoping to use a PC sharing program like DAVE to be able to access the Mini via SMB. Thus far, I have been unable to set up DAVE properly, or I am doing something else wrong that I am unaware of. Anyone have experience doing this sort of thing?
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Posted by: NJRoadfan on 2019-06-18 12:25:55
The Mac Mini likely only supports NTLMv2 authentication which DAVE is probably too old to support. This is a common problem with older versions of Windows connecting to newer machines. In Windows its an easy registry fix to re-enable NTLMv1 logins, but I don't know how it can be fixed on OS X.
https://www.thursby.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=588
This might help on the OS X side: https://krypted.com/windows-server/yosemite-server-smb-and-windows/
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6754792
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Posted by: Cory5412 on 2019-06-18 12:39:43
This is likely an incompatibility between the versions of SMB. DAVE likely only supports SMB1, (SMB2 was introduced in 2006) which Apple has likely disabled or stripped out of OS X.
Apple recommends against enabling SMB at all on OS X, and I recommend further against enabling/allowing SMB1.
Plain HTTP will let you get stuff from the mini to the PTP. Your best bet otherwise is most likely going to be a [dramatic pause] bridge machine, which you'll be able to access on the old Mac via FTP and the new one via SFTP, or an old one via AppleShare and the new one via SFTP or SMB2+ or newer AppleShare.
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Posted by: LaPorta on 2019-06-19 10:28:41
I already have the bridge setup: that's what im trying to avoid. Basically all I want is to be able to have the Mini's external HD show up as a network disk on the desktop of my 8.6 Mac...which sounds like too much of a tall order.
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Posted by: Cory5412 on 2019-06-26 11:08:10
Pretty much. Even the newest vintage Macs are now officially starting to require bridging.
I'm using a Mac with 10.6 on it to move data from my modern 10.13 Mac to VTools, even. Hitting the FTP server the way I was when I was trying to upload directly from the 10.13 system causes ASIP/OS9 to crash frequently.
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Posted by: sstaylor on 2019-07-07 12:10:26
What if you ran 10.6 virtualized on the new machine? I haven't messed around with this at all, just speculating...
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Posted by: LaPorta on 2019-07-08 00:55:44
Interesting...
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Posted by: Cory5412 on 2019-07-08 16:42:27
You still end up with the problem of needing to duplicate or separate data and manage two OS installs, but, yes, having a server that can talk to your old Macs is the solution here. Whether that's, as originally indicated, 10.4, Server'03, old Debian, an old NAS, or 10.6, and whether it's on hardware or in virtualization.
10.6, if it will work for this, is probably more suitable [than 10.4] for running in a virtualized environment, if you have, say, an ESXi server.
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Posted by: LaPorta on 2019-07-08 18:49:02
To my knowledge, you can run 10.6 Server virtualized in VMWare...I can try on my 10.14 Mac Mini.
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Posted by: CC_333 on 2019-08-19 15:12:51
The only real problem, I suspect, is lousy video performance, which makes the UI very laggy.
But, for the purpose at hand (bridging the gap between a modern 10.3 system and a vintage one running OS 9 or older), that probably doesn't matter much, if at all.
I once tried virtualizing Mavericks on... Mavericks, just to see what would happen. it was utterly pointless, but a neat experiment nevertheless.
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Posted by: olePigeon on 2019-08-20 11:51:08
@LaPorta Oh, shoot. I was looking at doing the same thing. :/ I even emailed Thursby to see if they had really old version for System 7 still.
My next step is to try this:
http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/ftpd-v300
Run an FTP server on my vintage Mac. I'd rather go the other direction, but I don't have a choice with Apple deciding to remove FTP. I tried several FTP server apps on the App store, and none of them were compatible with Fetch. At the moment I'm running ftpd on Windows, and that's being used as an intermediary. Pretty annoying.
What would be fantastic would be a self-contained sandboxed app that can run basic FTP and AppleTalk. Man I wish I was smart enough to code. 🙁
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Posted by: LaPorta on 2019-08-20 11:55:57
If you want to go the other way, this is what you need:
https://langui.net/ftp-server/
I use it on my 2014 Mac Mini which is my house server, runs OS 10.14. My understanding is it uses the UNIX FTP server, which is still there, just not usable through the GUI.
My PowerTower Pro can connect to it with Fetch.
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Posted by: olePigeon on 2019-08-20 13:45:48
ftpd was removed from 10.13 and up. It's not available GUI or otherwise. I've seen the app/service bundled as a self-contained app on Windows and Classic Mac. I think because it's open source it's relatively easy to implement.
Thanks, I'll give it a try. I was hesitant to spend any money on apps that don't work with Fetch.
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Posted by: LaPorta on 2019-08-20 15:52:13
I apologize, I was confusing that with iVPN which I have. That uses the now-hidden VPN server.
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