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| My new Apple ///....and might need some ADT Pro help |
Posted by: krye on 2014-01-14 17:14:04
I'm very pleased to announce that I scored a very nice looking Apple /// with a Monitor ///. Everything seems to be OK, but I just can't seem to transfer images to it via ADT Pro, or read disks made from my IIe.
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I tried to bootstrap it. Although it says "HI" in the corner and my laptop sends the SOS image over, nothing happens on the /// beyond what you see onscreen.
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I figured I'd just send a few Apple /// images to my IIe via ADT Pro 1.2.9 and try those.
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It successfully wrote the images, but none of the disks do anything.
Here's a video I posted to Flickr. You'll see that I restart the Apple ///, it starts to read the floppy, and then just stops. There's nothing on the screen.
Is there something wrong with the machine/drive, or is my floppies/images?
Any help would be great.
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Posted by: Macdrone on 2014-01-14 20:20:05
The apple /// is not // compatible out of the gate. It needs the emulator disk to be the same. If I ever get around to it I could be coaxed to see if I have a real copy for you.
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Posted by: dorkbert on 2014-01-14 20:32:51
I remember seeing SOS system file on the ADT Pro disk. Have you tried booting that on your III?
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Posted by: krye on 2014-01-14 20:48:04
I remember seeing SOS system file on the ADT Pro disk. Have you tried booting that on your III? That's what I tried, per the screenshot. That's bootstrapping it with SOS from ADTPro 1.2.9. The images I made on the IIe are Apple /// SOS disks. I get the inverse-video "HI" on screen, so it should be good to go. The laptop seems to go through the motions of sending over SOS, but nothing happens on the ///. It's not my laptop, serial cable, or ADT installation, because I can send images to my IIe and //c without a problem.
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Posted by: krye on 2014-01-14 20:48:49
The apple /// is not // compatible out of the gate. It needs the emulator disk to be the same. If I ever get around to it I could be coaxed to see if I have a real copy for you. I wasn't trying to run IIe disks. The images I made on the IIe are Apple /// disks.
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Posted by: Macdrone on 2014-01-15 02:00:36
I may be saying it incorrectly but without booting the emulator for apple // I cannot run anything on the apple /// from the apple //. Nothing on the apple // at all.
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Posted by: krye on 2014-01-15 06:58:39
Again, I think you're under the impression I'm trying to run Apple II software on an Apple ///. I am not. I am trying to write an Apple /// disk image using ADT Pro on either my IIe or my ///.
I tried to use ADT Pro to boostrap my Apple ///. That didn't seem to work.
I then sent an Apple /// disk image to ADT Pro 1.2.9 on my Apple IIe. Although it successfully wrote the disk, my Apple /// does not boot off the disk.
What am I trying to find out is, did I do something wrong, or is my Apple /// broken?
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Posted by: mcdermd on 2014-01-15 08:46:33
I forget if my /// needed a null modem cable or straight through. Have you tried both?
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Posted by: Macdrone on 2014-01-15 09:31:11
As far as I know without the /// booted into // mode with the // emulator the /// will not accept the /// image through adtpro. Adtpro is based on the // not written for the ///.
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Posted by: krye on 2014-01-15 09:58:22
So you're saying that an Apple /// disk image written out to a floppy on an Apple II isn't readable by an Apple ///? Why is that? You'd think an image written out to a floppy would be readable by the machine it's designed for, not by the machine that wrote the disk.
Hum, you might be on to something there. The cable I'm using is a DB25 to DB9 serial cable. Pretty sure it's straight through. I then have it connected to a DB9 to USB serial adapter on a Dell laptop. It works flawlessly on my IIe. I think you're right, the Apple /// needs a null modem cable.
I'll have to get my hands on one of those and report back.
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Posted by: mcdermd on 2014-01-15 11:03:58
On the Apple II you can flip the jumper on the super serial card to switch between "terminal" and "modem". You get no such favors on the Apple ///.
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Posted by: Macdrone on 2014-01-15 13:05:07
Until I boot my /// in // mode no // disks are recognized.
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Posted by: mcdermd on 2014-01-15 13:10:01
But what krye is describing is using an Apple II to write an Apple /// format diskette to use in booting the Apple ///.
I believe he was also attempting to bootstrap the Apple /// version of ADT Pro on the Apple ///. He was running into issues making the connection from the host once the serial port was dumping to RAM.
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Posted by: Macdrone on 2014-01-15 13:17:03
I get what both of you are saying, but the two using ADTpro for whatever reason does not send the info in a way the /// understands if it's not in // mode is the problem I have had. That's all I am saying. I don't know why, but it works fine when booted in // mode.
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Posted by: Macdrone on 2014-01-15 13:21:36
It's too bad I got rid if my serial card for it or I would try and set it all up again and maybe lock it down why it if funny like that. Who knows maybe I had the modem issue also and just did a work around that way.
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Posted by: krye on 2014-01-16 10:59:58
Rats! It's a straight through cable I'm using. I don't seem to have a null modem cable. I had to hop online and pick up a new one. According to my tracking number, it's going to take 5 days to get here. I was really looking forward to tinkering with it over the weekend.
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Posted by: krye on 2014-01-21 16:44:41
My new null modem cable arrived from eBay. I connected it to the Apple /// and tried to bootstrap it again. Looks like the cable is working... sort of.
Now it at least starts to send over the kernel. It shows "LOADING KERNEL" along with a flashing character to the right, like it's supposed to.
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But then it stops and just says "OK!".
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It doesn't transition to "LOADING INTERP" or "LOADING DRIVER".
Anyone know what I'm missing? Both ends of my serial cable are firmly seated. I can't think of what else it can be.
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Posted by: mcdermd on 2014-01-21 16:48:12
Have you tried different speeds?
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Posted by: krye on 2014-01-21 17:44:47
Have you tried different speeds? I tried 9600 and changed the pacing at 150. It goes through the "LOADING KERNEL" part, but instead of saying "OK", it ends with a $07 SYSTEM FAILURE
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I also confirmed that I should be able to write an Apple /// image on a IIe. However, any disk I write on the IIe isn't readable by the ///. The drive grinds for a bit, then stops.
Maybe I should just order a genuine ADT PRO /// disk from the site. If that doesn't work, then I know this machine is hosed.
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