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Posted by: CJ_Miller on 2010-02-20 09:09:10
Years ago a friend was using MCL on her computer, and I thought it was extremely cool. I looked into buying it then (1999 or so) and it was really quite expensive. Over time it looks like they reduced the price of their classic version from hundreds of dollars to $95. The problem is that I only recently got a "real job" to afford it, and it seems too late. The Digitool web site is still there, but my emails bounce. Interestingly, Digitool abandoned MCL and left their last version open source. It is now being updated by Clozure, which is an open source mac lisp created by a former Digitool person. If anybody is interested, MCL 5.2 can be found on the Clozure FTP: ftp://ftp.clozure.com/pub/MCL/MCL-5.2-Final3.dmg
But I am using mostly OS 9.2.2 for my music and media work, just because it's where most of my software tools are. I want to buy MCL 4.3.1 or 4.3.5 and I can't find them anywhere. I'd gladly pay for the disc, if I could find it. The only lead I got was a real psych-out on ebay: A reputable seller of vintage computer stuff offered a cd of MCL a couple years back. They sent me a *blank* cdr. When I complained, they refunded my money and apologized. But they showed screenshots of it! It was real, they had it there! I asked them how they created screenshots if they didn't actually have it to sell... but they didn't know. Utter BS! I have even emailed a few former Digitool people but they didn't have it to sell me either. Arg! I am not a skilled lisp programmer, I am a n00b coder and need the megabytes of tutorials and sample code on the cd.
And please, I am not asking for cracked software so don't ban me. This is an earnest question about software which was open sourced and abandoned by its developers. I just need a certain version of it, which I am willing to buy.
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Posted by: Nathan on 2010-02-20 11:02:18
MCL 4.2 is available at ftp://ftp.idsia.ch/pub/sandro/MCL4.2.sit according to http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/macintosh-common-lisp
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Posted by: Bunsen on 2010-02-20 12:31:02
As mentioned here, there are also people looking for version 3, which compiled to (and/or ran on?) 68k. |
Posted by: CJ_Miller on 2010-02-20 12:44:42
MCL 4.2 is available at ftp://ftp.idsia.ch/pub/sandro/MCL4.2.sit according to http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/macintosh-common-lisp Wow, great to see it via random FTP! I will check it out. Still hoping to get the full CD someday. Thank you for the link.
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Posted by: CJ_Miller on 2010-02-20 12:48:00
As mentioned here, there are also people looking for version 3, which compiled to (and/or ran on?) 68k. Another excellent reason for me to get the CD, I have been told that every disc of MCL actually includes every previous version. So a disc of MCL 4.x should have v3 on it also.
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Posted by: bear on 2010-02-22 15:22:39
I bought MCL 5.0 some years ago and I am reasonably certain the disc doesn't have any older releases on it.
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Posted by: CJ_Miller on 2010-02-25 05:04:04
It was around version 4.3 that they told me the other versions are on there. There was a while when my two laptops were a Duo 280(RIP) and a PowerBook 1400. I asked them whether I should go for a 68k or PPC version and the lady told me to definitely get PPC, because it had the 68k versions on disc anyway. Maybe by the time they were trying to port to OS X they decided they had been distributing the 68k version long enough? Was 5.0 the first OS X version? What stuff did they include on the CD? They told me it had versions, documents, user code, and assorted goodies. As you can tell, I am kicking myself for not acting sooner. Now that I've got an ok job I have bought a fair amount of cool software, new and old, but the MCL releases just seem unobtainable.
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Posted by: bear on 2010-03-01 15:42:15
5.0 was the first OS X release. I waited quite a while for it to become available. The CD definitely has documentation, user code, and assorted goodies. It's just the older releases I'm not sure about being on there.
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Posted by: bear on 2010-03-06 00:53:50
Hey, look at that. The 5.0 disc has previous releases back to 2.0.1.
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Posted by: Bunsen on 2010-03-10 00:29:30
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Apple-Common-Lisp-2-0-Development-System_W0QQitemZ220569364327
Common Lisp 2.0 for the 68k Macs including the docs. / CD is in good shape as are the manuals. Includes the giant reference manual and the slight less giant getting started manual. |
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