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Posted by: MacJunky on 2009-09-15 15:40:43
This thread is created as a place to look at the real differences between these two revisions.
The hope is that this will be based on physical hardware at our disposal instead of some site repeating information from another site, repeating information from another site...etc.(think Mactracker)
The overall objective is to end up with solid facts about these two PowerBooks to eliminate all confusion. It is not life altering information but considering that there has been plenty of confusion by many people about it for many years we may as well set everything straight. We have the computers, we are capable of gathering this information.
Of course ones known to still have their original logic board are the best for this. However considering that some have had part swaps over the years, unless you know it has it's original logic board then do not just assume that it is either WS or PDQ.
Unless someone else wants to kick this off I am going to go grab my PB to do the following:
Check ASP reported specs.
Check How it handles lower resolutions.
Take it apart and check the logic board.(chip markings, numbers on the PCB).
Drop the board onto a scanner for future reference.
Grab a few shots of the case.
Anything else I think of that might be relevant.
Post it all here.
I do not know for sure if it is a WS or PDQ and have just been going on the HDD and CPU specs that it had when I got it.
Remember, this thread is not about competition and not about proving others wrong. It is a search for good data on these models to help MLA members ident hardware and help everyone else who sees it learn more about these models that so many love.
Now, forget what you have been told about these G3s by others and check yours out for yourself!
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Posted by: beachycove on 2009-09-15 16:03:30
One thing I can report is that I once installed a logic board from broken up a 266MHz Wallstreet II into a nice little 12" machine (more vram & better graphics chip). I discovered after all that dis- and re-assembly that the 12" screen would not run from the upgraded logic board. S##t.
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Posted by: Unknown_K on 2009-09-15 16:07:58
Been there, done that. I got a huge box of Wallstreet parts (and I do mean nothing but misc parts) over a year ago and built 5 units out of them (plus some ebay parts).
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Posted by: Trash80toHP_Mini on 2009-09-15 18:23:45
This is a Great Topic and I'm very glad to see you spin it off from the "OS 9 Bubble" thread for doing some REAL TECHNICAL ANALYSIS! That's what this place is all about, serendipity in action! [😀] ]'>
Might I suggest running the Gauge Series of Utilities as well as a few others you will hopefully find in, the now updated,http://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=9816%20
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http://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=9816
A very large, if somewhat tardy . . . :I . . . thanks goes out to comrade macgeek417 for his hard work! [😉] ]'>
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Posted by: MacJunky on 2009-09-15 19:39:16
Right now I am just waiting for someone to pick up my new scanner from the PO. The old AGFA SnapScan Touch is starting to get a little long in the tooth. Also, it's software will not function on my desktop PC running 64bit windows 7, or my G4 running Leopard. :/ I have to use it with my XP running netbook or my Beige G3. The quality of the AGFA is not that spectacular anyway and this new one does 35mm negatives and slides as well! I no longer need to do prints of the B&W negs I developed in 2001/2002. 😀
Anyway, I shall get back on topic. In a couple hours I should have some scans of some of the boards from my G3 PB up.
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Posted by: MacJunky on 2009-09-16 05:11:50
Sorry about the delay, I got distracted when I went to boot it up. I do not know what happened(and it happened while it was not in use for the past couple years) but now the fan runs full throttle constantly... Something must have failed on the logic board because I have _never_ heard the fan start up even when under heavy use in summer. Only the short burst while resetting it or plugging it in without a battery and a dead internal backup battery.
Anyway, some scans and images.
Logic board top/bottom:
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4758/img001qy.jpg (7xxKB)
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/6677/img002hj.jpg (7xxKB)
A few other boards top/bottom:
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/1677/img003nl.jpg (7xxKB)
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5181/img004fr.jpg (7xxKB)
The RAM and CPU daughter card are not actually relevant to this thread since they did not come with this PowerBook but I tossed them on the scanner anyway for my records because it was faster and easier to do them with everything else. Just ignore them.
Yea I know the scans are bad, the scanner is not intended for anything but flat surfaces. I should have just dug out a tripod and some lights. *shrug*
Trackpad:
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/7817/10005242.jpg (2xxKB)
Apple most likely used the same one between the two but we may as well look into it.
One thing that I can not recall seeing in images of other G3 PowerBooks online is this.
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3101/00000372.jpg (1xxKB)
Now, to be fair most images online are not great quality and size and that little bump is easy to miss and can easily hide in most lighting.
Dana's image does not look like it has a bump there.. But that could easily be just different lighting or a bad angle or even touched up in photoshop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WallstreetII.jpg
Anyone else have a lump like that on their PowerBook? Is it just a defect? Does it indicate something?
Also, the front was mentioned in another thread:
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3286/10005352.jpg (1xxKB)
It had a hard life before I bought it. 🙁
Here is some stuff that ASP reports:
CPU
450MHz
GPU
name: ATI 264LT-G
model: ATI LT-G
card ROM: 113-xxxxx-1.0028
revision: 128
vendor ID: 1002
As usual ASP is on crack wrt the CPU speed. 300MHz CPU on a 66MHz bus = 4.5454 multi. But 450MHz CPU with a 4.5454 multi = 100MHz bus.
GaugePro correctly reports 300MHz CPU and 66MHz bus.
If anyone wants some larger or differently cropped images I still have some massive .tif files. Just ask.
Also, if you want me to run a certain app to gather information just let me know what specific app and what data you had in mind. It would be good to establish certain required information from certain apps that we can get everyone to run for a proper comparison.
Soo.. Yea, everybody pull your WS/PDQs out of wherever you have them hidden and post up some info.
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Posted by: Franklinstein on 2009-09-20 03:10:32
Wallstreets:
Available fixed-resolution 12" STN, 13.3" TFT, and 14.1" TFT displays. I've read that 12.1" TFT was a later option, but haven't seen it confirmed anywhere.
Very low-end 12 and 13" models had 2MB VRAM and lacked SVideo output.
Available with cacheless 233MHz processors on all display sizes.
Available with 83MHz system busses (250 and 292MHz versions), the only Macs with such an option.
Very early examples, like the original iMac, have 33.6k modems. Modems, when fitted, were made by either Global Village (33.6 & 56k) or Hong Kong Telecom (56k).
PDQs:
All machines have SVideo out and 4MB VRAM.
14.1" models only, but capable of resolution scaling.
66MHz bus only.
No more cacheless processors.
56k modems only, from Hong Kong Telecom.
Other than that, they're pretty much the same. It's interesting to note that this model PowerBook actually employs two OHare chips in order to provide the IDE and floppy capability in both bays, in addition to the internal hard drive. Both chips have two active ATA controllers and one SWIM controller each, though I haven't tried to use two floppy drives at the same time in one of these things.
Visible on the logic board beneath the modem is what appears to be an unused set of solder pads for a SODIMM socket for VRAM expansion. Too bad Apple left it out, or we could rock up to 8MB of VRAM in those things.
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Posted by: MacJunky on 2009-09-20 04:14:22
Visible on the logic board beneath the modem is what appears to be an unused set of solder pads for a SODIMM socket for VRAM expansion. Too bad Apple left it out, or we could rock up to 8MB of VRAM in those things. Alk took initial steps in testing it but as far as I know never got around to going further. http://www.applefritter.com/node/21881#comment-51157
So nobody else has any closeups of their boards?
Can anyone at least check their PB for the hinge lump?
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Posted by: beachycove on 2009-09-20 11:06:01
The hinge lump is an anomaly on your unit.
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Posted by: H3NRY on 2009-09-29 22:11:53
Wally's ASP OS9 highlights (292/83 MHz 14" model):
Memory overview
Disk cache: 8160K
Virtual memory: 513 MB
Used on volume: PwrBkG3_2
Built-in memory: 512 MB
Location Size Memory type
Bottom 256 MB SDRAM DIMM
Top 256 MB SDRAM DIMM
Backside L2 cache: 1 MB
Hardware overview
Machine ID: 312
Model name: PowerBook G3 series
Keyboard type: Apple Standard Keyboard
Processor info: PowerPC G3
Machine speed: 292 MHz
Nanokernel version: 2.27
Nanokernel pool extends: 0
Nanokernel scheduled CPUs:1
Modem
Name: V.90 [56,000 bps] Data/V.17 [14,400 bps] Fax
Protocol: V.90
Version: v2.100
Production information
ROM revision: $77D.41F5
Devices and Volumes
Internal ATA 0
ID = 0
Hard drive
Driver version: 3.3
Mac OS partitions: 2
Removable media: No
Vendor: TOSHIBA
Revision number: Q3.03 B
Product ID: MK3018GAS
Serial number: Z23F3374T
Size: 30 GB (1K = 1000)
Capacity: 27.94 GB (1K = 1024)
PwrBkG3_1
Volume format: Mac OS Extended (HFS+)
Capacity: 7.98 GB
PwrBkG3_2
Volume format: Mac OS Extended (HFS+)
Capacity: 17.90 GB
PCI Slot E1
Display card
Card type: display
Card name: ATI,264LT-G
Card model: ATI,LT-G
Card ROM #: 113-XXXXX-1.0028
Card revision: 128
Card vendor ID: 1002
Display
Screen Size (pixels): 1024 x 768
Grays/Colors: Millions
Resolution (dpi): 72 x 72
Additional Information: Main screen
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OS X:
Hardware Overview:
Machine Name: Mac
Machine Model: PowerBook1998
CPU Type: PowerPC 750 (2.2)
Number Of CPUs: 1
CPU Speed: 292 MHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 1 MB
Memory: 512 MB
Bus Speed: 83 MHz
PCI FireWire Slot PC Card B:
Type: FireWire
Hardware: FireWire
BSD Device Name: fw1
PC Cards:
Card:
Function: Network Adapter
Vendor: NETGEAR MA401RA Wireless PC
Type: PC Card
Vendor ID: 11
Device ID: 29440
Ethernet Adaptor (en2):
Type: Ethernet
Hardware: Ethernet
BSD Device Name: en2
IPv4 Addresses: 192.168.1.4
Graphics/Displays:
ATY,LT-G:
Chipset Model: ATY,LT-G
Type: Display
Bus: PCI
Slot: E1
VRAM (Total): 16 MB
Vendor: ATI (0x1002)
Device ID: 0x4c47
Revision ID: 0x0080
ROM Revision: 113-XXXXX-1.0028
Displays:
Color LCD:
Resolution: 1024 x 768
Depth: 16-bit Color
Built-In: Yes
Core Image: Not Supported
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Quartz Extreme: Not Supported
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Posted by: mike-stock on 2010-06-30 00:01:27
I recently obtained a Wallstreet II PDQ 300MHz running OS 9.2.2 with 192MB RAM & an 8GB hard drive with 4.6GB free. I have a G3 Pismo 400MHz running Tiger quite good. I was thinking about trying Tiger on the Wallstreet using XPostFacto.
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Posted by: Trash80toHP_Mini on 2010-07-01 18:47:34
I need to load Gauge Pro on my new Wallstreet to see if ASP was on crack when I checked the thing out. :🙂
It's gonna be Beater2 when I'm done loading utilities and drivers on the brute. Beater, my first WiFiCompanion (1400c/G3/466) will be losing its WiFi Card any day now!
So far I've loaded:
AppleWorks 6
Quicken 2001
It's happy doing 1280 x 1024 x 16bit centered on the HP 22" 1080p Monitor on my Multi-Platform KVM rig, but the wireless KBD/Mouse is down for now, ADB Reset is an absolute necessity on any KVM'd ADB Mac, IMHO!
It's too bad that 1280 x 960 only works at 75 Hz . . . :-/
I took screen shots of the ASP Screens, they say mine has a 333MHz G-3. We'll see! 😱)
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