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| Apple ][ ITT 2020 OEM with lots of goodies | |
| Posted by: mactjaap on 2015-04-22 12:44:02 A nice find again. An Apple ][ ITT 2020 OEM. A birthday present from my wife! The case seems to be OEM. To replace the original ITT grey one ( if have this one too......) Monitor is not new. This is a VT100. COAX is a little bit stange.... Lots of extra's: - two Disk ][ - printer card - lots of books - ITT cassettes - cables - controllers - apple joystick See pictures here:       | |
| Posted by: olePigeon on 2015-04-23 08:49:55 Is this a clone or an Apple kit sold by ITT like the B&H? | |
| Posted by: Gorgonops on 2015-04-23 09:59:13 Obviously case is pretty clearly a different casting; in addition to the different keyboard opening(s)) details like the bezel trim and the braces that hold the lid up are different. Also, while it looks like the gross layout of the chips on the motherboards is similar the typeface looks different and some of the positions of things like resistors, etc, don't match. Here's a picture of an Apple ][ Europlus for comparison: http://mirrors.apple2.org.za/Apple%20II%20Documentation%20Project/Computers/Apple%20II/Apple%20II%20plus/Photos/Apple%20II%20europlus%20-%20Motherboard%20Front.jpg Most notably, even though that area is mostly covered with cables and therefore can't say for sure, the board is missing the large "Apple Computer" branding that should be parallel to the color trim capacitor. So... yeah, it's a clone, much different from a regular II than a B&H II is. The question is whether it's a licenced one. Here's a page about the ITT 2020; neither of the two units match this one http://apple2history.org/history/ah12/ A google image search for the ITT 2020 doesn't turn up any hits that look like one, are you sure it's not a clone of a clone? 😉 | |
Posted by: Charlieman on 2015-04-23 10:38:37Obviously case is pretty clearly a different casting; in addition to the different keyboard opening(s)) details like the bezel trim and the braces that hold the lid up are different. Also, while it looks like the gross layout of the chips on the motherboards is similar the typeface looks different and some of the positions of things like resistors, etc, don't match.From what I can see, the board looks like the one in my ITT 2020. The layout is the same overall as a Europlus with detail differences (silkscreen and pin connectors). The power supply looks like mine which has a captive mains lead (no IEC mains connector). The RAM chips on my board all have gold paper ITT labels. The keyboard is interesting and probably explains the case transplant. ITT used at least two case designs. The early one was a copy of the Europlus in silver. It has a smooth texture and minor dimensions differ (thickness, small radii). There are two rubber stamp marks on my lid: a date (illegible) and P AMCO, which I presume to mean Passed by AMCO (an old UK plastics firm). A later case had squarer corners and the rear back panel is cut away (ie no separate cut outs for ribbon cables). ITT offered their own Disk ][s. Mine is incomplete, missing the lid. And yes, the ITT 2020 was a "clone", in the fashion of Power Computing Macs. It was fully licensed with its own version of the Apple II red book (on A4 paper): http://www.vintagemacworld.com/redbook.html | |
| Posted by: mactjaap on 2015-04-24 09:03:02 OK. How rare are they in the Netherlands? No so. I see one for around 40 dollar offered. A genuine with two disk drives. http://link.marktplaats.nl/m922304692 | |
| Posted by: Gorgonops on 2015-04-24 09:08:38 Wait, how rare is what? That's an Apple IIe, neither an ITT 2020 nor an "original" Apple ][. (Or "EuroPlus", for that matter.) | |
Posted by: Charlieman on 2015-05-03 11:55:36OK. How rare are they in the Netherlands? No so. I see one for around 40 dollar offered. A genuine with two disk drives.My Apple IIe box has labels telling me that it shipped via the Netherlands, where Apple had their European offices at the time. Later Apple imports had licence agreements in the Dutch language (not sure about Apple II family or pre-1984 without crawling in the attic). Maybe Flemish Belgians were buying loads of Apples too 😉 During the 1980s, the London based market research company for whom I worked used the Europlus, IIe and IIc for computer aided interviews in the Netherlands, France, UK, Germany, Sweden and a few other countries. The Apple II family was used widely in Europe when people could afford to buy. | |
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