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| Alice/Through the Looking Glass...where?! |
Posted by: MacPlusOwner on 2009-03-04 13:22:43
Does anyone know where this software can be found by any chance? I read about it on Folklore and got intrigued. I looked through almost all of the links on the wiki software page, searched here, googled, etc. It all turns up old dead links, or dead sites. The sites that worked didn't seem to have it. Is this game really that rare or is it right in front of my nose and I just keep overlooking it?!
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Posted by: slomacuser on 2009-03-04 13:30:56
http://www.grenier-du-mac.net/fiches/alice.htm
Telecharger
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Posted by: MacPlusOwner on 2009-03-04 13:33:58
Thanks! Sure enough, that's one site I didn't check...I thought I had read that it was offline.
Much appreciated!
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Posted by: Gary_W on 2009-03-06 18:41:27
I downloaded it but it's corrupted. :-( Anyone else have trouble with this?
Gary
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Posted by: Mac128 on 2009-03-07 08:57:16
I downloaded it but it's corrupted. :-( Anyone else have trouble with this? Nope. Works perfectly. OS X 10.4.11 Mini vMac v2.8.2, 64K ROM build, System 2.0
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Posted by: MacPlusOwner on 2009-03-07 11:49:05
It runs, but it bombed out for me in mini vmac 3.0.4 as soon as I tried moving a piece. I'm going to try it on a real machine today and see what happens.
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Posted by: MacPlusOwner on 2009-03-14 12:49:38
I finally found time to get the file over onto some real macs (it's a bit of a pain for me right now as the only floppy drive I have is on a PC). I tried it on a Mac Plus (with System 6.0.8 ) and it loaded, but when you move a piece, the game bombs out. Same thing on an SE FDHD with system 6.0.7. I was thinking that maybe it only worked with the Mac 128/512K machine as it was probably coded in assembly and very specific to those machines(??)
And just now I re-read Mac128's post about having it working and just noticed that it was with System 2.0 and a 64K ROM. I guess the devil is in the details!
I'll have to make a System 2 disk and try it again...
edit: er, make that a System 3.2 disk for the Mac Plus. According to the specs that's the lowest OS version it can run. If that doesn't work, I'll try the System2 thing in mini Vmac like Mac128.
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Posted by: macgeek417 on 2009-03-14 17:37:44
...but i can run 1.1g in Mini vMac.
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Posted by: MrMacPlus on 2009-03-14 17:56:35
...but i can run 1.1g in Mini vMac. Yes, system 1/2 can run on a Mac Plus but has some issues with HFS, make sure to use MFS. 🙂
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Posted by: macgeek417 on 2009-03-14 18:00:28
I thought some version of 3.x was the first to support hfs?!?!
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Posted by: MacPlusOwner on 2009-03-14 18:56:44
MrMacPlus: I did not know that you could run system 1 and 2 on a mac plus. Interesting!
well whaddayaknow! Alice does work on mini vMac with system 3.2. Exactly how to play the game is another matter though! (I think Andy Hertzfeld explains it in his book and on folklore.org)
Next up, trying it on a real Mac...
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Posted by: MrMacPlus on 2009-03-14 19:21:05
I thought some version of 3.x was the first to support hfs?!?! Yes, but HFS was programmed into ROM and if you run system 1/2 on a Plus and try to use an HFS disk strange results happen.
(Trust me, I've tried.)
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Posted by: macgeek417 on 2009-03-14 19:31:50
What happens that is so strange???
Me thinks me shall pull out mini vmac and try!
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Posted by: macgeek417 on 2009-03-14 19:46:02
Strange, indeed
I used a disk named "untitled", and when i start up OSv1.1, two disks pop up on the desktop.
One has the System folder, and the other everything else. Te first onre can be renamed, but jumps right back to untitled. The second one can be renamed, but i couldn't start up from the disk again.
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Posted by: MrMacPlus on 2009-03-15 11:41:37
Strangely, not the results I got. Mine was something like half the folders were there and the other half were invisible and the folders inside weren't to be seen. It scared me for a minute. :lol:
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Posted by: Mac128 on 2009-03-15 14:34:47
I thought some version of 3.x was the first to support hfs?!?! System 2.1 to be exact, which required the HD20 INIT on the 512K (the 128K cannot load the INIT). These are indeed all HFS issues. In addition, the 128K ROM changed some things related to the system. Stuff that was previously in the System was now in the ROM, but duplicates were left to support the 64K ROMs up to, but not including, System 6 (the first signs of system bloat). System 3.0 onward supported HFS, but more specifically Finder 5.0 was required. Alice likely required 64K ROM resources and once those began to be eliminated from System code, the proper calls could no longer be made. System 3.2 is the last which will run on a 128K, and 4.1 the last to run on a 512K. So that is the last likely system to support Alice.
For the record, the Plus, SE & Classic will all boot from System 1.1. In my experience System 1.0 (out for barely 3 months) is so ROM specific and buggy that it will not handle the 128K and later ROMs properly. 1.1 will support all of those Macs properly as MFS. Since it will not read HFS disks, you run the risks of losing data on any HFS disk. NEVER mix HFS & MFS environments for this reason, except for backward compatibility. The problem is the later ROMs understand HFS even though the System doesn't so the disk does not come up as "unrecognizable" tricking you into using it. Nevertheless, this is a handy setup for formatting 800K MFS disks for use with the 128K & 512K as well as formatting the HD20 for MFS only use with a 512K (the 128K won't load the driver).
So in using vintage Macs, the following applies to the Plus, SE & Classic. As long as you don't ask the System to use hardware of which it isn't aware or with software that does – in fact all three models can be configured to run with 512K RAM thus when using earlier MFS systems, making them virtually indistinguishable:
System 1.1 through 2.0 for MFS only, NO HFS support, SCSI support, PDS support or display brightness.
System 2.1 through 3.2 for HFS, SCSI support, NO PDS support or display brightness.
System 4.0 through 6.0.2 for HFS, SCSI support, PDS support, NO display brightness.
System 6.0.3 through 6.0.8 for HFS, SCSI support, PDS Support, Display brightness.
System 7.0 through 7.5.5, not recommended for MFS support.
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Posted by: macgeek417 on 2009-03-19 22:56:18
that one is an early beta. Anyone know where the release version can be found?
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Posted by: slomacuser on 2009-04-13 01:21:50
Alice is coming to iPhone
Steve Capps is back in action 🙂 well the game dos not look that nice like original did..
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Posted by: Dog Cow on 2009-04-13 09:54:38
Be careful with one of those Alice archives: there's one which has 'slomacuser 2007' written all over it, and an extra pixel on the desktop pattern. Took me about 10 minutes to scrub that guy's name off of it. :-/
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