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Posted by: Johnnya101 on 2022-06-19 09:39:18
Got it backing up now. Its a .img. Not sure how one would get an .hda? Maybe just change the extension and it will work? |
Posted by: demik on 2022-06-19 09:44:47
Got it backing up now. Its a .img. Not sure how one would get an .hda? Maybe just change the extension and it will work?
Yes, renaming it to .hda should work. Raw images created like this don't have a standard type. Can be .hda, .dd, bin, .iso, .img, but that's mostly the same. |
Posted by: jajan547 on 2022-06-19 10:22:58
Yes, renaming it to .hda should work. Raw images created like this don't have a standard type. Can be .hda, .dd, bin, .iso, .img, but that's mostly the same. Ah okay so simple it seems to make it boot with something like a SD to IDE |
Posted by: Phipli on 2022-06-19 10:55:25
Ah okay so simple it seems to make it boot with something like a SD to IDE Yes, the important and tricky bit is you need the disk driver partitions, which will be there if you've ripped it from a real disk as a byte by byte copy. |
Posted by: jajan547 on 2022-06-19 11:01:36
Yes, the important and tricky bit is you need the disk driver partitions, which will be there if you've ripped it from a real disk as a byte by byte copy. very interesting, I hope this works because I cannot get the 7.7 on Macintosh repository to boot so it'd be nice to play around with this on say an LC 475 or something. |
Posted by: Johnnya101 on 2022-06-19 11:23:52
Uploading the new disk image to the garden page now. Should be ready soon. Took an hour or two to backup. So jajan, when you download the new one just change the .img to .hda and see what happens.
Also, I would appreciate any screenshots from this system running to add to the page! |
Posted by: Phipli on 2022-06-19 11:27:30
very interesting, I hope this works because I cannot get the 7.7 on Macintosh repository to boot so it'd be nice to play around with this on say an LC 475 or something. The LC475 is a SCSI machine, so the copy from the 6360 has the wrong disk driver. One could be made though. Easiest to do on another SCSI machine but.... I have manually assembled one before using dd and careful copying known numbers of blocks into a new disk image... not recommended. |
Posted by: jajan547 on 2022-06-19 11:34:22
The LC475 is a SCSI machine, so the copy from the 6360 has the wrong disk driver. One could be made though. Easiest to do on another SCSI machine but.... I have manually assembled one before using dd and careful copying known numbers of blocks into a new disk image... not recommended. So this means 030, and 040 machines will likely not run this? |
Posted by: jajan547 on 2022-06-19 11:35:19
Uploading the new disk image to the garden page now. Should be ready soon. Took an hour or two to backup. So jajan, when you download the new one just change the .img to .hda and see what happens.
Also, I would appreciate any screenshots from this system running to add to the page! I'll give this a go later today and I'll be sure to post a picture. |
Posted by: Phipli on 2022-06-19 11:53:01
So this means 030, and 040 machines will likely not run this? Processor isn't the issue, there are IDE 68k Macs, the Performa 630 and variants specifically. The software will work if you copy the files to a SCSI disk, its just you can't flash the 6360 image directly to a disk with a different interface type. |
Posted by: Phipli on 2022-06-19 12:36:55
@jajan547 - what storage do you have that connects to your LC 475? Do you have a SCSI CD? SCSI2SD? FloppyEmu? Does it have ethernet? Zip drive? |
Posted by: CC_333 on 2022-06-19 12:41:05
@Phipli Right, because the disk drivers are different between SCSI and IDE (though, didn't they unify both types into one universal driver toward the end of the Classic era? Since the 6360 is PPC, maybe one can take a driver made using, say, Mac OS 9.1's Drive Setup and see what happens?).
c |
Posted by: Phipli on 2022-06-19 12:46:32
@Phipli Right, because the disk drivers are different between SCSI and IDE (though, didn't they unify both types into one universal driver toward the end of the Classic era? Since the 6360 is PPC, maybe one can take a driver made using, say, Mac OS 9.1's Drive Setup and see what happens?).
c I can, my G3 (8.1/8.6/9.1) is set up - didn't know they unified later, might be useful to let me combine my SCSI and IDE versions 🙂
The issue is that I think they were planning to put their IDE adapter in a SCSI computer 🙂 |
Posted by: Johnnya101 on 2022-06-19 12:48:03
Am I able to zip the more recent img file for upload? The garden says do not zip img files, but I'm guessing thats aimed toward older images? It's quite large (1.7GB). |
Posted by: jajan547 on 2022-06-19 16:49:51
@jajan547 - what storage do you have that connects to your LC 475? Do you have a SCSI CD? SCSI2SD? FloppyEmu? Does it have ethernet? Zip drive? I have SCSI2SD and a Floppy Emu |
Posted by: jajan547 on 2022-06-19 16:51:16
I can, my G3 (8.1/8.6/9.1) is set up - didn't know they unified later, might be useful to let me combine my SCSI and IDE versions 🙂
The issue is that I think they were planning to put their IDE adapter in a SCSI computer 🙂 If someone knows how to make this applicable to SCSI based Macs that’d be wonderful. |
Posted by: MrFahrenheit on 2022-06-19 18:59:59
FWB hard disk toolkit version 4.x supports ATA and SCSI devices, and installs both drivers automatically on a drive. You could image that file over to an IDE drive, update the drivers using FWB, then re-image it again and you’d theoretically have a drive image that can boot from IDE or SCSI. |
Posted by: jajan547 on 2022-06-19 19:22:27
FWB hard disk toolkit version 4.x supports ATA and SCSI devices, and installs both drivers automatically on a drive. You could image that file over to an IDE drive, update the drivers using FWB, then re-image it again and you’d theoretically have a drive image that can boot from IDE or SCSI. I am not that savvy at this kind of stuff but if someone here makes one bootable on SCSi please do share it. |
Posted by: Phipli on 2022-06-19 21:21:27
I am not that savvy at this kind of stuff but if someone here makes one bootable on SCSi please do share it. But what are you going to write it to? What do you have that you can write the disk image to that works in the LC475? Making the SCSI version is easy, but you need to be able to transfer it. Do you have a SCSI2SD?
edit - ah, sorry, just saw you do 🙂 |
Posted by: jajan547 on 2022-06-19 21:22:08
But what are you going to write it to? What do you have that you can write the disk image to that works in the LC475? Making the SCSI version is easy, but you need to be able to transfer it. Do you have a SCSI2SD? I do but how do I go about this I'm very confused. |
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