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Introducing (and interest check) AirTalk: Wireless plug-and-play LocalTalk dongles
Posted by: Tashtari on 2023-03-27 08:44:25
At some point it'd be great to work with someone with a 6100 to put a bus analyzer on the port and try to figure out what's going wrong. This may be a TashTalk problem, and that worries me...
Posted by: Skate323k137 on 2023-03-27 09:07:26
At some point it'd be great to work with someone with a 6100 to put a bus analyzer on the port and try to figure out what's going wrong. This may be a TashTalk problem, and that worries me...
I have a Saleae logic pro 8, but no 6100 🙁
Posted by: daanvdl on 2023-03-28 02:56:27
Just going to link here to @daanvdl's new thread for the AirTalks they're building: https://68kmla.org/bb/index.php?thr...-and-play-localtalk-dongle.43838/#post-478876

Now that they've successfully built some and beta-tested the files for me, I'm officially making some noise that this is open hardware under the CERN-OHL-S-2.0. The hardware files are at https://github.com/cheesestraws/airtalk/tree/main/hardware but you might be well advised to wait for @daanvdl 's instructions, which are less perfunctory than mine. Go forth and build some! 🙂
Thank you cheesestraws!
I decided to publish the 'AirTalk support' website in kinda pre-production state.
There may still be minor imperfections, but I'll update the instructions as soon as I find an error, if any.

https://www.airtalk.support

Cheers,
Daan
Posted by: Iesca on 2023-03-28 13:50:43
Is this the correct sort of cable required? I tried using the 8-pin to 8-pin cable that went with my Apple MIDI Interface, but that doesn't seem to work.

www.ebay.com

Cable Apple Macintosh Serial Modem Mini DIN 8-Pin Male Male 6FT #220961A | eBay

Model: SKU# 220961A. Apple Macintosh Serial Modem Cable. Mini DIN 8-Pin Male. Male Pin-1 to Male Pin 1. Male Pin-2 to Male Pin 2. Male Pin-3 to Male Pin 3. Male Pin-4 to Male Pin 4. Male Pin-5 to Male Pin 5.
www.ebay.com

EDIT: Doesn't seem like it.
Posted by: daanvdl on 2023-03-28 13:54:24
Is this the correct sort of cable required? I tried using the 8-pin to 8-pin cable that went with my Apple MIDI Interface, but that doesn't seem to work.

www.ebay.com

Cable Apple Macintosh Serial Modem Mini DIN 8-Pin Male Male 6FT #220961A | eBay

Model: SKU# 220961A. Apple Macintosh Serial Modem Cable. Mini DIN 8-Pin Male. Male Pin-1 to Male Pin 1. Male Pin-2 to Male Pin 2. Male Pin-3 to Male Pin 3. Male Pin-4 to Male Pin 4. Male Pin-5 to Male Pin 5.
www.ebay.com

EDIT: Doesn't seem like it.
No, You will need a crosscable: https://airtalk.shop/?product=apple-modem-cable
Posted by: Phipli on 2023-03-28 13:56:33
All DIN serial cables are crossovers. The cable from the tone module should work. Strange it doesn't.
Posted by: Skate323k137 on 2023-03-28 14:07:45
All DIN serial cables are crossovers. The cable from the tone module should work. Strange it doesn't.
I have straight thru ones but I have them clearly labelled as such.

I use the same cable for an imagewriter II, airtalk, and MIDI module; a crossover.
Posted by: Phipli on 2023-03-28 14:11:46
I have straight thru ones but I have them clearly labelled as such.

I use the same cable for an imagewriter II, airtalk, and MIDI module; a crossover.
The straight through ones aren't for using as serial though are they? Or am I being daft 😆
Posted by: cheesestraws on 2023-03-28 14:12:36
The straight through ones aren't for using as serial though are they? Or am I being daft 😆

I've seen straight through ones sold as serial, irritatingly. My only theory is that some samplers use it or something?
Posted by: Phipli on 2023-03-28 14:14:24
I've seen straight through ones sold as serial, irritatingly. My only theory is that some samplers use it or something?
Oh, anything that uses a din cable that isn't a RS422 cable could be wired differently. But any mac serial cable should be compatible.
Posted by: Iesca on 2023-03-28 15:06:28
All DIN serial cables are crossovers. The cable from the tone module should work. Strange it doesn't.
It might be something else in my setup, but it's my current candidate. It could also just be broken!
Posted by: cheesestraws on 2023-03-28 15:14:34
Didn't realise you were short of serial cables or I'd have sent you a spare! Oh well.
Posted by: Iesca on 2023-03-28 16:00:03
Didn't realise you were short of serial cables or I'd have sent you a spare! Oh well.
I didn't either! Haha
Posted by: mdeverhart on 2023-03-28 19:01:36
I've seen straight through ones sold as serial, irritatingly. My only theory is that some samplers use it or something?
My (flimsy) recollection is that modems used the straight through cables, consistent with the (annoying in my opinion) DTE (computer) vs. DCE (peripheral) designations. Printers and many other peripherals used crossover cables. Point-to-point LocalTalk between two Macs also can use a crossover cable.
Posted by: Iesca on 2023-04-03 20:58:06
All is well. I acquired an Apple 590-0552-A printer cable and it works! My 2010 iMac is talking to my Macintosh Plus. 🙂 Now, with just about 18k taking a couple minutes to transfer, there may be some kinks left to work out...
Posted by: mg.man on 2023-04-03 23:38:52
My 2010 iMac is talking to my Macintosh Plus.
Just curious - are you doing this with a single AirTalk (on the Plus side?) or a pair (one each end)?
Posted by: Iesca on 2023-04-04 00:44:10
Just the one, and then networking with Mini vMac.
Posted by: cheesestraws on 2023-04-04 01:53:46
Is the iMac on wifi or wired ethernet?
Posted by: mg.man on 2023-04-04 04:38:50
Just the one, and then networking with Mini vMac.
Ooo... that's what I'd like to be able to achieve. I had several stabs at getting this scenario working, but failed. Pls share your secret recipe! 😀
Posted by: Iesca on 2023-04-04 05:26:56
Is the iMac on wifi or wired ethernet?
Oh yes, you did mention that, didn't you? I will try again with a physical connection when I have a chance! (Router's in a another room...)
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