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Posted by: Bunsen on 2007-08-11 10:55:56Something Unix-like (i.e. solid "modern" OS) ... Kind of like what OS X would have been if they'd gotten started 10 years earlier ...Port NextSTEP/OpenStep/GNUstep? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nextstep http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNUstep http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStep http://www.nextarchive.net/ Ok, so not exactly "classic Mac app compatible", but with Objective C onboard, you could code apps that can be compiled to run on either 68k machines or under OS X | |
| Posted by: paws on 2007-08-11 19:04:01 A UNIX with a Mac-like GUI? What a novel idea! | |
| Posted by: MultiFinder on 2007-08-11 19:35:23 Nah, it'll never happen. | |
| Posted by: aftermac on 2007-08-12 10:36:51 HA! Next thing you know Macs will be running on Intel chips... Speaking of A/UX I should pull out the IIci I have it installed on and play with it a bit. Installed it years ago and never really messed with it. Seriously though, a modern *nix that is easy to setup and use on a 68k would be pretty nice. | |
| Posted by: tmtomh on 2007-08-12 16:16:43 Okay, a stupid question here: Unix/Linux with a GUI crawls on even the fastest 68k machine BUT... NeXT machines used 68030's and 68040's, were based on a Unix microkernel, and had a gorgeous GUI and very good performance. SO... Why can't *nix distros have a resonsive GUI on 68k machines? Is it a lack f optimization for 68k in the kernel? Lack of optimization in the video drivers for X-Windows? Or is it just that NeXT's implementation of Display Postscript was intrinsically more resource-efficient than an X-Window server ever could be? Matt | |
| Posted by: chris on 2007-08-12 16:27:05 I'm on board for the website project. Can offer my documentation-writing skills to it if you want. | |
Posted by: ChristTrekker on 2007-08-12 20:15:38Unix/Linux with a GUI crawls on even the fastest 68k machine / Why can't *nix distros have a resonsive GUI on 68k machines?A/UX was quite responsive in the GUI. But its display wasn't X11 either. | |
| Posted by: ~tl on 2007-08-13 00:14:42 I would think X11 is the main bottleneck on older machines, along with not so efficient window managers... | |
| Posted by: Bunsen on 2007-08-13 01:38:17 So what you'd need would be say a window manager that just calls the Toolbox routines ... ? | |
| Posted by: chris on 2007-08-13 07:35:13 Or you could port Kdrive, and, say, mlvwm(Macintosh Like Virtual Window Manager.) I don't know what the efficiency of mlvwm is, but kdrive is great, I've personally used it with twm on a 486 with 4mb of RAM and it was quite responsive. | |
| Posted by: ChristTrekker on 2007-08-13 07:58:58 Ack...mlvwm hasn't been updated in ages, and I don't think it was all that great to begin with. If you want a fast/light wm, look no further than Blackbox. | |
| Posted by: chris on 2007-08-13 08:40:18 Then blackbox. I was just picking one that seemed appropriate. 🙂 | |
Posted by: Bunsen on 2007-08-13 10:15:47As of X.Org Server version 7.1, the KDriveframework was integrated into the reference implementation and is now part of the generic source code release of the server. So what you'd need would be say a window manager that just calls the Toolbox routines ... ?No really ... would this be feasible, and would it help any? | |
| Posted by: chris on 2007-08-13 12:21:19 Dillo might work for the browser thing. | |
| Posted by: chris on 2007-08-13 15:29:10 I propose... a logo! A smallish, universal image(GIF?) that signifies that the site works with old or less-featured browsers. Possible example:  Pretty much means no frames, no fancy Java or Flash, not overmany images. This means remove the frame from that site of yours, it won't display properly on really old browsers. I'm going to do the same but centered on both old Macs and PCs. We can link to each other. | |
Posted by: luddite on 2007-08-13 19:17:45I propose... a logo! A smallish, universal image(GIF?) that signifies that the site works with old or less-featured browsers. Possible example:Doesn't look so hot in Lynx 😛 | |
| Posted by: chris on 2007-08-13 19:42:43 Well, soooooo-rry. 😛 A lynx logo would be a little harder, but you COULD just stick alt text for the image... | |
| Posted by: chris on 2007-08-13 19:57:07 Got up a proto-page for the PC version. http://oldpchub.bravehost.com/index.htm | |
| Posted by: macintoshman on 2007-08-14 19:12:59 Ok, I will remove the frame. Also, I found the source code for system 7.1!!!! Anyone good at mac os internals? We have the key to the project now. I found the link to the source here in the lounge. Anyone who is a programmer, download it! | |
| Posted by: ~tl on 2007-08-15 11:29:19 The problem of basing anything of Apple's source code is that you could be sued into oblivion at any point -- probably as soon as Apple's lawyers get wind of it. It's not an advisable road to go down. | |
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