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Posted by: EvieSigma on 2017-06-16 17:06:13
I personally am hoping to get a dual Pentium Pro system to run NT on...
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Posted by: rsolberg on 2017-06-16 17:22:14
Dual PIIIs means it will have an i440BX, i440ZX, i820/E, or Via Apollo Pro 133A chipset. The BX and ZX should be great. Any dual Slot 1 board should have had full NT 4.0 support (except USB) as it was the contemporary SMP capable version of Windows.
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Posted by: bunnspecial on 2017-06-16 17:30:48
That's good to know-thanks. Time for full NT fun to begin!
BTW, I'm kind of regretting not keeping one of the quad PII workstations we had. They were the size of a dorm refrigerator and I'd hate to think how loud they were, but they were impressive beasts. They also advertise NextSTEP compatibility on the front...
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Posted by: Gorgonops on 2017-06-16 17:44:01
The PI I have has a "Made for NT" sticker on it. That really doesn't mean a whole lot, other than the system was sold as an "office machine". A Pentium 133 is old enough that unless it says so specifically the version of NT released when that sticker was applied was 3.51. NT 4.0 was the first version of NT to have anything approaching a "long" run as the top OS in its line, lasting from mid-1996 up to early 2000. (3.1 through 3.51 each lasted only about a year.)
Just keep in mind before you even start that installing NT and getting it fully updated on *anything* is a pain in the a55, so unless you have a warped idea of what constitutes fun you might want to skip it. The one advantage the old Pentium might have over a 440BX/ZX is *if* you're lucky every scrap of hardware in it will be supported by the on-disk drivers (but keep in mind that sticker is absolutely no guarantee of that) while for something newer you'll have to finding the various .inf/driver files and, ideally, having some of them ready on floppies during the initial install process. But, well, if that bothers you you shouldn't be mucking with NT. 😛
Does it show that I really hate it? Because I do.
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Posted by: Cory5412 on 2017-06-23 07:31:40
For me it's okay, because I really like NT. It's got nostalgia and neat factor going for it.
Enough that the next system I want to get to run NT4 is a Thinkpad Z60t, which should run it more or less acceptably on the wire using all the drivers from the non-p version of the ThinkPad T43, which if I'm calculating correctly, has the same chipset, graphics, sound, and ethernet.
On the desktop side of things, I had considered getting one of the Compaq Professional Workstation 700 systems, one was on eBay a year or two ago, but I was too slow and shipping was too uncertain, because that particular behemoth was listed as being on a pallet. And, I probably would have dove too deep into getting it configured well enough to run Windows Vista/7/8.
I still have the T42p and the X31 which would also both be good candidates. I had it on the T30 for a while as well.
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Posted by: NJRoadfan on 2017-06-23 09:18:17
USB drivers exist for NT 4.0 and work very well. I had NT 4.0 SMP running on a Core2Duo E6700 and needed the USB drivers for the keyboard and mouse, it...... flew. I followed a long list of directions to create a NT 4.0 SP6 slipstreamed disc with modern drivers (UniATA in particular), it seemed to work pretty well installing after that.
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Posted by: rsolberg on 2017-06-23 15:27:16
When I last tried getting USB to function in NT 4.0, all I was able to do was get input devices recognized. I specifically needed to get a USB colorimeter and mass storage devices to work, but I didn't have success with either. Have there been improvements since then?
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Posted by: Gorgonops on 2017-06-23 16:14:07
Enough that the next system I want to get to run NT4 is a Thinkpad Z60t, which should run it more or less acceptably on the wire using all the drivers from the non-p version of the ThinkPad T43, which if I'm calculating correctly, has the same chipset, graphics, sound, and ethernet. It boggles my mind that IBM would bother making drivers for systems as late as the T43 but, sure, there they are.
Still, that sounds like an utter nightmare to me. I had to install NT on a couple PIII laptops back in 2000 and *that* was bad enough. (I vaguely recall you had to install some semi-third-party crud to make PCMCIA cards work, power management hardly worked, WiFi on those old Orinoco Wavelan cards was a million times harder than Win9x or 2000...)
When I last tried getting USB to function in NT 4.0, all I was able to do was get input devices recognized. I specifically needed to get a USB colorimeter and mass storage devices to work, but I didn't have success with either. Have there been improvements since then? It looks like some third-party companies released their own USB stacks for Windows NT. So, well, good luck. Sounds like mass storage is almost certainly doable, but anything "special"... probably not.
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Posted by: NJRoadfan on 2017-06-24 16:24:16
USB storage class drivers were included in the IONetworks driver stack. I tried a few USB sticks laying around and they all mounted as a removable device with a FAT32 driver installed. The colorimeter likely uses standard Windows 2000/XP drivers, which are not supported at all.
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Posted by: CC_333 on 2017-06-25 23:35:55
USB drivers exist for NT 4.0 and work very well. I had NT 4.0 SMP running on a Core2Duo E6700 and needed the USB drivers for the keyboard and mouse, it...... flew. I followed a long list of directions to create a NT 4.0 SP6 slipstreamed disc with modern drivers (UniATA in particular), it seemed to work pretty well installing after that. Do you still have a copy of this disk? If so, I'd like to give it a try. I do have a proper NT 4 license key for it, so no piracy here, I don't think.
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Posted by: Cory5412 on 2017-06-26 16:58:50
If you link it, I will also download it, but we don't currently have a facility to host it here.
The rule hasn't been rewritten but the enforcement on this for software this old has changed for the more favorable. (we will take down and ask for forgiveness if anybody says anything.)
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Posted by: jamie marchant on 2017-06-29 08:51:02
So has anyone got this to work? I would love to here the results, this is quite interesting and something I thought of before but did not think was possible due to the difference in firmware.
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Posted by: Cory5412 on 2017-07-13 07:25:57
I don't think anybody here has worked on it. There's some links to another forum in the original post where they were working on it. It would surprise me a lot if someone got it working.
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Posted by: 360alaska on 2017-07-13 09:56:58
you can make your own:
donwload the ISO (https://winworldpc.com/library), the 6.0a patch and get uniata (http://alter.org.ua/soft/win/uni_ata/) and then slipstream them with
nlite:http://www.nliteos.com/
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Posted by: IPalindromeI on 2017-07-13 13:13:40
That's not relevant to the topic of putting NT on a Power Mac.
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Posted by: 360alaska on 2017-07-13 13:55:50
Posts 29 and 30 were asking about an iso right?
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Posted by: IPalindromeI on 2017-07-13 17:28:41
Ah. nLite doesn't do NT 4 though. IIRC, you have to slipstream manually on 3.x and 4.0, which is a PITA.
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