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Posted by: Trash80toHP_Mini on 2017-05-18 21:23:14
Running a Mac OS emulator under NetBSD on a Mac to run Mac software? :lol:
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Posted by: Themk on 2017-05-18 21:27:40
[😀] ]'>
Rebooting wouldnt be such a pain, if it werent for the dumb memory check at power on. 136MB takes a loooong time to chew through. I'll probably just stick to SSW for mac programs, it was just more for the joke about not needing A/UX for Unix and Mac programs to co-exist. I'll probably do it, just for the novelty
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Posted by: olePigeon on 2017-05-19 10:03:31
You could always install a ROM SIMM with the the memory check disabled. 🙂
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Posted by: Themk on 2017-05-19 10:07:51
I could, but that requires soldering [😛] ]'>
Speaking of which, does anyone know how to patch the Q630 ROM to bypass the memory check? I probably need to stick with the Q630 ROM, and not get too adventurous. I have no idea how the other 68040 compatible ROMs handle ATA.
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Posted by: Trash80toHP_Mini on 2017-05-19 10:23:42
They don't. 🙂
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Posted by: Gorgonops on 2017-05-19 14:36:16
If you do end up mucking with BasiliskII under NetBSD please take some screenshots and benchmarks and otherwise document it if you can get it running in "native cpu" mode verses emulated (scenario #4 under "modes of operation" in the tech manual). Being able to do that is a thing that supposedly exists, but the documentation for it is so scarce I've always wondered if it ever really works. Unfortunately I never got around to installing NetBSD on my Quadra 650 before I gave it away a decade ago.
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Posted by: Themk on 2017-05-19 15:16:02
That was my plan, to try to get Basilisk II to run in native cpu mode. As you mentioned, it *theoretically* exists, but it appears as if no one has tried. NetBSD on m68k is explicitly listed in the link above, it appears I will have to (cross) compile my own version, not a big deal. It says that it provides performance almost comparable to a real mac on the same CPU, so this could theoreically negate any advantage A/UX has, if your mac programs run at near-native speed.
Facinating stuff. Well Gorgonops, you pushed me over the edge, I have to try this now!
Edit: Gorgonops, do you have any 040 powered macs? Even though you don't have the 650 anymore, NetBSD is pretty broad in its HW support-the exception being that it appears to require a full 040, and not a LC040.
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Posted by: Gorgonops on 2017-05-19 15:59:58
Sadly, at the moment my only 68k Macs at the moment are 68000-powered models. (A 512k Fat Mac and a Plus.) If something small like an LC III or Q605 ever falls out of the sky I might consider adopting it, given it could mostly share peripherals with my IIgs yet not take up much space.
Kind of regret getting rid of the 650, though. It was a good machine, arguably the best Quadra there is for a "casual" collector.
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Posted by: IPalindromeI on 2017-05-19 17:50:14
I bet 3.50$ it's 1. bitrotted and 2. only worked on Amiga.
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Posted by: Gorgonops on 2017-05-19 19:13:28
I would definitely concur on number one, and for number two, well, I'd bet it sort of worked on one guy's machine with NetBSD 1.6 but it hasn't been tested since.
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Posted by: Themk on 2017-05-19 19:14:32
What are we at now, NetBSD 7.1??? LOL. If this does indeed end up working, I will certinally be sharing it with everyone else.
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Posted by: Themk on 2017-05-19 19:55:05
Just for kicks I ran the NetBSD ROM program,
It completely failed:
This is a PPC system using a 60x CPU, integrated FPU, 68040 MMU. Other than that it seemed to detect the computer fairly well. Also, for the record, it calls the SCSI controller integrated into F108 on this machine, an NCR 53C96. This confirms what the DevNote said about the SCSI controller.
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Posted by: Themk on 2017-05-21 15:33:04
I just stuffed in an eighty gigabyte ATA hard disk into this machine, so I can do a real install of NetBSD, complete with the X server packages, and the development tools. Basilisk II testing here I come!
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(from the 350MB IBM unit that was included with the machine). (Good HDD for Mac OS, not so great for a modern OS like NetBSD).
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Posted by: Johnnya101 on 2017-05-21 16:01:33
Wow, youre really upgrading that thing a ton... I had no idea Id sell it to someone who would do this much!
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Posted by: Themk on 2017-05-21 16:03:26
Hehe.
Does Drive Setup 1.5 as included on the legacy recovery CD already been pacthced? It recognized my (obviously) non apple ATA HDD, and happily initialized and partitioned it.
Now I can't decide which version of SSW I want to put on the new HDD. I have so much space now that I could have every version, from 7.1.2P-8.1 on it 😀
Probably just going to stick to 7.1.2P, it offers the fastest user expirience. That being said, I was very impressed with how responsive 8.1 was. System 8.1 was pretty fast still. The only downside to 8.1 is that it takes longer to boot-up.
Oh, and by the way, if you drag the enabler from a 7.1.2P installation, to a System 7 Pro installation, it will work, allowing you to use System 7 pro. So, technically I guess it works with 7.1.1-8.1
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Posted by: Johnnya101 on 2017-05-21 16:40:13
Partition the thing into tons of different ones and install an OS on each one! If you like to use multiple OSs... If I would have to pick one, it would be 7.6.1 for the support and internet abilities.
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Posted by: EvieSigma on 2017-05-21 16:43:44
7.6.1 is what my Performa 630 runs...I should dig it out, but I'm worried about breaking the rest of the plastics off. 🙁
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Posted by: Themk on 2017-05-21 16:46:40
but I'm worried about breaking the rest of the plastics off. 🙁 Hmm, the plastics on mine seem really solid. I realize its "Spindler Plastic", but mine doesn't feel bad at all. I've had the whole thing completely apart, and nothing broke, the plastic seems solid enough...
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Posted by: Themk on 2017-05-21 16:55:50
Partition the thing into tons of different ones and install an OS on each one! If you like to use multiple OSs... If I would have to pick one, it would be 7.6.1 for the support and internet abilities. If I was going to use 7.6.1 I might as well use 8.1 😛 , that being said it isn't a bad choice though!
Partitioning? Nah, just pop all the system folders on to one 2GB partition. NetBSD is going to be taking up quite a bit (on its own partitions ofc).
Fun bit of trivia about this machine, it supports soft power-on and off from the remote! You can turn the computer on with the power button on the computer's remote! I thought that was cool, I didn't expect the IR micro controller to be powered by stand-by power.
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Posted by: Macdrone on 2017-05-21 17:03:58
All the performa towers and desktops should, including the TAM.
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