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| VST Zip 100 Drive PowerBook G3 Lombard/Pismo DEAD |
Posted by: Cedsrepairs on 2023-02-11 12:55:58
Here you go
This is of 9.2.1 on a pdq |
Posted by: mg.man on 2023-02-11 13:08:04
Managed to track down the manual (attached). In the Troubleshooting section, it says :
3. The Iomega software cannot find the Zip drive or the Zip drive is not recognized.
a. Make sure the drive is properly inserted (The green power light on the drive should be ON.) Try removing the Zip drive and then reinserting.
Does the green light come on on yours? |
Posted by: Cedsrepairs on 2023-02-11 13:23:28
Yes it comes green
It’s macOS that refuses to boot with the driver and the drive ( and if I remove it for boot ; it’s also not recognised later )
Weird ! |
Posted by: Cedsrepairs on 2023-02-11 13:24:01
I also tried disabling all extensions except this one ; same result |
Posted by: mg.man on 2023-02-11 13:31:19
That is odd behaviour... it could still be a dead drive - I've had that, but don't recall it keeping the PB from booting. Is there anything in the right bay? Have you tried it in the right bay? I know on the 3400/Kanga there is a little flap that drops down when you use a "narrower" drive... I'm not that familiar with the PDQ. |
Posted by: Cedsrepairs on 2023-02-11 13:37:43
It freezes just after the dvd extension so something in me believes this is some kind of conflict
Stock macOS boots with the zip in the slot ; it’s the minut you add the driver that it stops working and freezes at boot
Also ejecting the drive while the boot process is stuck ; unstucks it and the boot process finishes |
Posted by: Cedsrepairs on 2023-02-11 13:38:13
I tried in the right ; with and without the CD-ROM drive … |
Posted by: mg.man on 2023-02-11 13:43:46
I tried in the right So the issue moves with the drive (assuming your CD drive works OK in the right bay). Unless you know the Zip was working when you got it, it's sounding like a faulty drive. One other thing to try... boot from "stock" MacOS with the Zip drive installed, then open Drive Setup and see if it appears in the list. |
Posted by: Cedsrepairs on 2023-02-11 13:51:42
Good idea
If nothing works I’ll open it and see if anything looks like serviceable in there … |
Posted by: mg.man on 2023-02-11 14:10:40
I just saw your other posts about replacing your HD with a compact flash / sd card alternative... are you using one of those now? If so I've had some weirdness with those - but on a PB1400. If you are using one I'd try popping the old IDE HD back in and trying the Zip drive. If the same behaviour, you'd at least eliminate one variable. |
Posted by: Cedsrepairs on 2023-02-11 14:15:40
Ok I checked ; It even appears in the system properties ; without driver ; recognised as Iomega zip100 |
Posted by: Cedsrepairs on 2023-02-11 14:17:38
On the drive setup it appears as « expbay bus 1 number 1 « ( not managed )
Again without drivers loaded of course |
Posted by: mg.man on 2023-02-11 22:28:33
Interesting. That seems to indicate the electronics are working, but not necessarily the motor? You didn't reply as to whether or not you are using a real IDE HD or a CF/SD adapter. Try all this with a real HD and see what happens. |
Posted by: Cedsrepairs on 2023-02-12 01:34:29
It is a bit difficult to try because I’ll not only change disks but also use a completely different version of macOS if I do that ; but before tearing the thing apart I’m gonna try that indeed |
Posted by: mg.man on 2023-02-12 01:35:47
It is a bit difficult to try Sure... but if that's the issue, you'll know your Zip drive is good. |
Posted by: Cedsrepairs on 2023-02-12 01:38:02
I seem to be reading that Zip drives are actually known to be unreliable and break ; I didn’t know that |
Posted by: mg.man on 2023-02-12 01:49:05
There's plenty of ~30yr old tech that breaks. Zip drives pushed the limits in the day, and if abused I'm sure prone to failure. I have a bunch of drives I use all the time. In my own experience, the disks themselves tend to be more prone to failing than the drives.
I also *know* that your success varies widely with these CF (and SD) to ATA adapters. It was early days for IDE back then... |
Posted by: Cedsrepairs on 2023-02-12 03:26:22
Yeah, spinning HD or CF, same result. Freeze at boot until you eject.
The thing is broken, sorry for wasting your time... And I didn't get it for cheap so I'm pissed.
Nothing seems to be repairable in this (super tightly integrated) |
Posted by: Cedsrepairs on 2023-02-12 03:40:11
Well it either does not work or is not compatible with a PDQ
I'm starting to wonder what the difference is between the ZIPG3 and the ZIPG32
ZIPG3 (the one I have) is smaller and can go left or right
ZIPG32 seems more recent but a bit of a downgrade as it only goes right, why ? Maybe more compatible ?
Not sure
Or the thing is just dead 🙂 |
Posted by: mg.man on 2023-02-12 03:49:36
spinning HD or CF, same result. Freeze Bummer. That does seem to point to the Zip being faulty.
Nothing seems to be repairable in this Yeah, I didn't want to dent your optimism when you suggested having a look inside. Not a lot you can do with them. It is possible to swap in the mechanism from a PC (laptop) Zip drive - they do come up time to time - usually cheaper than the "Mac" ones.
I would not chuck it - the casing and PDQ connector are useful, and the electronics board can be removed and may be fine - just the head / motor / etc. that's died.
is not compatible with a PDQ As far as I can tell, it should be compatible. As you've surmised, the "G32" is newer, and meant for the Lombard/Pismo. |
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