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Posted by: meall on 2007-06-18 16:14:01
Hi,
I just received a II gs I ordered, and I plugged it to a Mac II era Apple display I have. The II gs does not look to be able to display images correctly on this display.
Is there any specific display requirement for the IIgs?
Thanks
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Posted by: II2II on 2007-06-18 16:34:22
It runs at NTSC frequencies, so no Mac monitor will work. Try using the composite for now, until you can find a real monitor for the IIgs. I use the Commodore 1084s, and I think there is an AppleColor RGB (not the High Resolution one).
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Posted by: Quadraman on 2007-06-18 16:51:33
The old standby Commodore monitor. I have one and use it with one of my Atari's. Commodore made the best color monitors of the time for most 8 bit machines.
Another good choice is Amdek.
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Posted by: meall on 2007-06-18 16:57:47
It runs at NTSC frequencies, so no Mac monitor will work. Try using the composite for now, until you can find a real monitor for the IIgs. I use the Commodore 1084s, and I think there is an AppleColor RGB (not the High Resolution one). Oh, thanks. I was not aware of this. I'll see to connect it to my TV for now, as it is the only place I have an NTSC signal available.
Thanks
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Posted by: meall on 2007-06-18 17:05:39
The old standby Commodore monitor. I have one and use it with one of my Atari's. Commodore made the best color monitors of the time for most 8 bit machines.
Another good choice is Amdek. My first computer was a Commodore with a display, and it was a very nice one.
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Posted by: meall on 2007-06-18 17:10:04
By the way, to install system 6 for the IIgs, I suppose I need an HD. The guy who sold it to me included an Apple CD 300 and a small SCSI drive, but there no SCSI port on the IIgs, so how could I find a SCSI card for the IIgs?
Thanks
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Posted by: MultiFinder on 2007-06-18 17:10:47
You could just use any TV with composite in for the display.
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Posted by: II2II on 2007-06-18 17:32:03
You get a SCSI card for the IIgs by sacrificing your first born to the eBay gods, then giving all of your money to the seller. 🙁
GS/OS will run from floppies. It ain't convenient, and you need two 3.5" drives if you want the desktop, but it will work.
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Posted by: Quadraman on 2007-06-18 17:55:52
By the way, to install system 6 for the IIgs, I suppose I need an HD. The guy who sold it to me included an Apple CD 300 and a small SCSI drive, but there no SCSI port on the IIgs, so how could I find a SCSI card for the IIgs?
Thanks The most common is the RAMFAST SCSI. Apple made one but it is more expensive and not as easy to come by. I just got a IIGS myself, but there is a problem with the RAMFAST SCSI card in it. I think I have a bad cache memory chip on it, so I'm reduced to using it as a floppy only system until I can get the chips to fix it.
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Posted by: meall on 2007-06-18 18:20:03
You get a SCSI card for the IIgs by sacrificing your first born to the eBay gods, then giving all of your money to the seller. 🙁
GS/OS will run from floppies. It ain't convenient, and you need two 3.5" drives if you want the desktop, but it will work. I think I saw what you mean here
Is it that rare or just artificial inflation?
I have a 5" and one 3" floppy disk.
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Posted by: II2II on 2007-06-18 18:24:36
Hum, they've gone down in price ...
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Posted by: meall on 2007-06-18 18:33:07
Hum, they've gone down in price ... Luckily for me 🙂 I find it very expensive, it is almost what I pay for the IIgs all in all, including the shipping, that is!
So, what's missing for me is the original IIgs keyboard and mouse (for the time I use a Mac keyboard) and a display.
The SCSI card would be one of my next shopping item too...
If anyone have this, let me know 😉
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Posted by: luddite on 2007-06-18 19:21:22
Another option is the CFFA or MicroDrive IDE card... both of which can be had for about $100. Pros and cons either way... Personally I prefer the MicroDrive with a 3.5" HDD mounted internally.
OTOH, you can get by quite well with just the 3.5" floppies... all depends on what software you're hoping to run.
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Posted by: Unknown_K on 2007-06-18 19:43:43
Apple made 2 SCSI cards, the Highspeed one you listed that goes for $100-200 each depending on the day of the week, and a normal one (no cache) that goes for $50+ (and you have to have the C revision ROM for it to work on the IIgs).
I have the normal one, works fine considering the machine its connected to. On mine I can turn the external drives off and boot directly to floppy to play games (they are all floppy based and not HD installable anyway). With the HS you need to do some things on boot or you get errors.
Any SCSI card and 4MB make the IIgs a nice machine, if you just want to play games a stock IIgs with the 1MB RAM card will do nicely.
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Posted by: meall on 2007-06-19 04:29:29
Apple made 2 SCSI cards, the Highspeed one you listed that goes for $100-200 each depending on the day of the week, and a normal one (no cache) that goes for $50+ (and you have to have the C revision ROM for it to work on the IIgs). My IIgs have a ROM 03, I suppose that is what you're talking about? From what I saw, the SCSI card has to be plugged into the leftmost slot. I suppose there is no differences between the 2 cards you mention in term of performance, considering the age the the IIgs.
I have the normal one, works fine considering the machine its connected to. On mine I can turn the external drives off and boot directly to floppy to play games (they are all floppy based and not HD installable anyway). With the HS you need to do some things on boot or you get errors. So finally the HS one is not really the choice considering this boot error. Why there is that error? Strange that Apple make a card that generate error on boot...
Any SCSI card and 4MB make the IIgs a nice machine, if you just want to play games a stock IIgs with the 1MB RAM card will do nicely. Mine have a full memory card install, but I think it has only 1 meg on it. When I go to the control panel, in the RAM disk config, it tell me that the memory looks like 2048K. I suppose one can find chips to install in place of the one already installed and upgrade the memory card.
Another question, I plugged the IIgs with the composite output to my TV. But all display looks white on gray, even if the color mode is selected. And when I change the color it only goes from one gray to another. Any idea?
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Posted by: II2II on 2007-06-19 05:30:26
Well, Apple claims that the HS SCSI card is about 2 or 3 times faster than their old SCSI card for some applications. Though I have never tested the original card to see how credible that claim is.
The error that Unknown_K is talking about is trivial, and I don't understand why he makes a huge fuss about it. But he does. }🙂 Simply put, if the HS SCSI card does not find a bootable device it will display an error message. You just break out of that error message and type PR#5 to boot from the 3.5" drive or PR#6 to boot from the 5.25" drive, and floppy based software will boot. If you think that is crude, you can use the Taifun boot manager (if you like keeping the hard drive powered up) or simply ensure that the GS searches the SCSI card for bootable devices after it checks the floppy drives for bootable diskettes.
As per memory, the ROM03 has 1 MB onboard and the memory card supports a maximum of 1 MB. So 2 MB sounds right. A 4 MB card will get you further, but will cost more money. A 8 MB card is almost pointless. They were never that common so most software just doesn't need it. (I was told that they are uncommon because they were hard to design, and of course more RAM means more $$$.)
The composite may be greyscale only. I don't know, as I've never had to use it.
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Posted by: LCGuy on 2007-06-19 05:42:25
Out of curiousity, the TV you plugged it into, was it a PAL TV? Because i think the IIGS only supports NTSC, and therefore will only display colour of the TV is capable of accepting NTSC signals (some TVs, like our Sanyo allow you to switch between NTSC, PAL and AUTO, but others don't). Check the OSD menu, or failing that, the documentation that came with the telly.
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Posted by: MacMan on 2007-06-19 06:25:48
I think alot of modern TV's will support NTSC and PAL as pretty much all of them are manufactured in the same place and then shipped worldwide.
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Posted by: Macbuk on 2007-06-19 06:36:49
You can make an RGB to SCART ADAPTER for the IIGS
http://vintageware.orcon.net.nz/apple2/scart.html
Holding down "option" key during start you can choose between 50 (PAL SECAM) and 60 hz (NTSC) refresh.
Hope this helps.
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