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Apple Extended Keyboard repair help
Posted by: 3lectr1cPPC on 2023-06-21 14:18:41 I’ve got an original AEK with a bad left shift key. I took the assembly apart and noticed some corrosion in one area and I cleaned it up. Two traces are bad and I traced one of them back to said left shift key, great! The other leads to an option key. So I traced the trace all the way to a pin on one of the ICs and soldered a bodge wire. Now the shift key acts stuck down at all times. Any ideas?
Posted by: ClassicGuyPhilly on 2023-06-21 14:23:30 Can't offer any advice but want to see you get this KB back in order, was an amazing swap meet find!
Posted by: 3lectr1cPPC on 2023-06-21 14:25:08 Indeed! Keys feel great on it, and the rest work. Except for that option key as well I suppose. Hopefully I’m doing some obvious wrong and I can get it fully working again.
Posted by: ClassicGuyPhilly on 2023-06-21 14:26:34 Best keyboard Apple ever produced
Posted by: 3lectr1cPPC on 2023-06-21 14:27:11 It does certainly feel nice. Definitely a lucky find!
Posted by: zigzagjoe on 2023-06-21 14:48:28 I'd check the basics... have you checked continuity across the switch? Maybe it's stuck on or off when it shouldn't be. Also, make sure your bodge wire isn't accidentally connecting another pin somewhere.
Posted by: 3lectr1cPPC on 2023-06-21 14:51:04 Alright that’s the fault. Continuity on the switch, so it’s stuck. What are the options for repairing this? If there aren’t any easy ones I’ll just swap the switch with one of the mostly not used keys and then break the connection for that unused key.
Posted by: zigzagjoe on 2023-06-21 15:25:29 Alright that’s the fault. Continuity on the switch, so it’s stuck. What are the options for repairing this? If there aren’t any easy ones I’ll just swap the switch with one of the mostly not used keys and then break the connection for that unused key. It doesn't look like a lot of fun to do, but these alps switches are able to be taken apart. Here's a YT video. If it has failed, personally, I'd swap it with a less used switch then order or salvage a vaguely correct replacement switch. With the resurgence of mechanical keyboards in hobbyist hands, it shouldn't be hard to find something close enough.
Posted by: ClassicGuyPhilly on 2023-06-21 15:34:34 Yes the special feel and sound comes from the mechanical Alps switches, also used in IBM KBs. While hearing one mechanical keyboard sounds cool, I fear the younger folks will never enjoy a room full of them at full fury...a unique symphony of the past.
Posted by: 3lectr1cPPC on 2023-06-21 15:35:46 fear the younger folks will never enjoy a room full of them at full fury...a unique symphony of the past. Clearly you’ve never been in an esports room 😆😆
Posted by: ClassicGuyPhilly on 2023-06-21 15:37:02 Ok, ya got me there 😉
Posted by: 3lectr1cPPC on 2023-06-22 14:43:45 Great, great news! At least for now, the shift key has fixed itself! Now I’ve just got to solder a bodge for the left option key and it should be fully functional. For $5!!! I’ve tested the rest and all others are working.
Posted by: s_pupp on 2023-06-22 15:51:58 Well done!
Posted by: 3lectr1cPPC on 2023-06-22 15:59:51 Thanks! I just spent the time since that reply finishing up cleaning the thing (it was pretty filthy before) and soldering a bodge for the left option key. Got it reassembled now and all keys are working great! I’m really happy that it turned out to be a pretty simple repair this time around. It’s a great keyboard!
Posted by: ClassicGuyPhilly on 2023-06-22 16:10:41 Well done congrats! Click-clack away!
Posted by: 3lectr1cPPC on 2023-06-22 16:15:38 Indeed I will!
Posted by: joshc on 2023-07-04 01:01:38 Glad you got it going. In future, bear in mind these old ALPS switches can be susceptible to dirt and get a bit stuck - some contact cleaner sprayed directly into the switch and then worked into the switch by pressing it lots of times can help, this has fixed bad keys on these for me several times.
Posted by: s_pupp on 2023-07-04 08:49:17 Glad you got it going. In future, bear in mind these old ALPS switches can be susceptible to dirt and get a bit stuck - some contact cleaner sprayed directly into the switch and then worked into the switch by pressing it lots of times can help, this has fixed bad keys on these for me several times. I’ve not done this because of my concern that the cleaner may not evaporate fully. I have mental images, however unrealistic, of flames shooting from the “3” key while pressing it. Do you open the key to vent it, or does the cleaner evaporate well with just the key cap removed?
Posted by: 3lectr1cPPC on 2023-07-04 08:52:49 Since the original fix the shift stuck issue returned and I tracked the root cause - I had bridged a pin with my bodge that went to ground. Whoops. So yeah, the switch was fine in this case. Good advice though!
Posted by: joshc on 2023-07-04 09:08:29 I’ve not done this because of my concern that the cleaner may not evaporate fully. I have mental images, however unrealistic, of flames shooting from the “3” key while pressing it. Do you open the key to vent it, or does the cleaner evaporate well with just the key cap removed? It's never crossed my mind, and I am pretty sure it's a pretty widely accepted fact that contact cleaner in keyboard switches is safe enough. I don't take the switch apart, just take the key cap off and spray the contact cleaner in and then press the switch many times to work it through the switch.
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