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| NuBus LocalTalk cards? | |
| Posted by: robin-fo on 2022-10-29 03:09:29 Hi everybody, Are there any NuBus expansion cards that support LocalTalk? The CSI Hurdler card looks promising, but I cannot find much information about it.. Thanks! | |
| Posted by: mg.man on 2022-10-29 03:49:43 This guy has two for sale. Here's one of them... 
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| Posted by: ArmorAlley on 2022-10-29 05:42:18 Hi @robin-fo, do you want to be able to print to a printer and use LocalTalk networking simultaneously? Is the purpose of this card to avoid having to use a serial-connection switcher. I have one of the latter, if you want it. That being said, GBP50 is not a bad price for the Hurdler II card. | |
| Posted by: robin-fo on 2022-10-29 10:07:18 Thanks guys, the purpose of such a card would be to use it in combination with the Apple Internet Router software to build independent LocalTalk networks. Even if a standard Mac supports both modem- and printer port for LocalTalk networking (only with the AIR of course), having more than just two ports would be interesting to tinker with.. | |
Posted by: robin-fo on 2022-10-29 11:16:24This guy has two for sale. Here's one of them... Let‘s see how it turns out: I bought it! | |
Posted by: mg.man on 2022-10-29 11:36:02I bought it!Oh good... I was worried I might be tempted... just because... 🤣 | |
| Posted by: chelseayr on 2022-10-29 13:07:57 offtopic but you know, this thread reminds me of finding this http://megawolf.com a few years ago and I have to admit I have never ever seen a serial card on ebay whether for nubus or pci..at least till this particular nubus one now (same can be said for a certain orangemicro serial+fastscsi combo pci too?) | |
Posted by: mg.man on 2022-10-29 13:24:24offtopic but you knowWell... since you started it... I don't know about "fast SCSI", but are you meaning one of these?  | |
| Posted by: chelseayr on 2022-10-29 17:44:16 @mg.man heh I never thought one could actually exist and yes thats the card. fast scsi because its suppose to be 10mbs instead of 5mbs as mentioned at http://archive.retro.co.za/mirrors/68000/www.vintagemacworld.com/omweb/grappler+serial.html | |
Posted by: Melkhior on 2022-10-30 01:41:28Let‘s see how it turns out: I bought it!Please share a dump of the declaration rom if you can, in particular if the ports work without any additional driver. It would be interesting to know what is needed to get a new localtalk-compatible serial port working in a NuBus card. | |
Posted by: mg.man on 2022-10-30 03:06:44yes thats the card. fast scsi because its suppose to be 10mbs instead of 5mbsBut didn't most Macs have 10mbs SCSI by the time PCI came 'round? 🤔 Also spotted this in the ad you linked : - Does not support AppleTalk or GeoPort ...so not that useful in this case. Apols to the OP for the tangent, but hope that Hurdler works out! 🙂 | |
Posted by: robin-fo on 2022-10-30 04:37:52Please share a dump of the declaration rom if you can, in particular if the ports work without any additional driver. It would be interesting to know what is needed to get a new localtalk-compatible serial port working in a NuBus card. I have a TL866.. Actually, I think this card might not be extremely difficult to replicate! We could convert the design to SMD and use the free space for something like an AirTalk or so😅 | |
Posted by: Melkhior on 2022-10-30 10:44:21I have a TL866.. Actually, I think this card might not be extremely difficult to replicate! We could convert the design to SMD and use the free space for something like an AirTalk or so😅You don't even need any special tool; the ROM are directly accessible to MacOS when the board is in a Mac (and everything works). It's merely a matter of reading the proper addresses and dumping to a file. I don't have a specific piece of software, but someone on 68kmla is bound to have. There's collections of extracted ROM floating around such as from @demik pn GitHub, and people doing reverse engineering or restoration commonly extract ROMs. I have written my own ROM, but I haven't actually ever dumped one, weirdly. Found all the examples I needed from 68kmla! | |
| Posted by: jeremywork on 2022-10-30 22:28:32 Here are the ROMs from the CSI Hurdler Quad Serial, Hustler Dual Serial, Centronics Parellel, and another quad serial card called the VersaLink from Advanced Logic Integrations. dumped via TL866II plus FWIW | |
| Posted by: Melkhior on 2022-10-31 06:19:39 Thanks 🙂 | |
| Posted by: robin-fo on 2022-11-11 10:33:35 Well let‘s see how it turns out 🤓 I‘ll break the seal in 3…2…1… | |
| Posted by: robin-fo on 2022-11-11 17:03:05 Ok bad news.. The CSI Hurdler does not show up in Chooser, Network cdev or AIR. ☹️ However, it seems to be compatible with MacPPP and ZTerm. With OpenTransport, it is also not listed in the PPP and AppleTalk control panels. | |
| Posted by: jeremywork on 2022-11-11 17:35:01 The technical data sheet lists "• Interface to LocalTalk and other networks" under Applications, so it should be possible? 
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Posted by: robin-fo on 2022-11-12 01:05:00The technical data sheet lists "• Interface to LocalTalk and other networks" under Applications, so it should be possible? Well that‘s interesting.. But on the same page, they also write The 68008 may be custom programmed to handle unique, higher performance end-user applications such as MIDI, process automation and networking. So I guess I have to do the coding myself?!? 😅 | |
Posted by: Byte Knight on 2023-03-04 06:19:42Ok bad news.. The CSI Hurdler does not show up in Chooser, Network cdev or AIR. ☹️ However, it seems to be compatible with MacPPP and ZTerm. With OpenTransport, it is also not listed in the PPP and AppleTalk control panels.I'm thinking about getting one of these cards. Where were you able to find the drivers? | |
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