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Thunder, Thunder, Thunder, ThunderCards... HO!
Posted by: omidimo on 2018-03-03 15:33:00
I have been fortunate to acquire some very awesome Radius/SuperMac cards this year. Here are some of the Thunders.

First one is a new old stock SuperMac Thunder II GX 1600 - COMPLETE!

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Next up is a Radius Thunder IV GX 1600, the card to finish up my Radius System 100 dream.

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Followed by the little baby brother, the Radius Thunder 24 GT 1152, note the missing vram:

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Next up is classic yet trusty SuperMac Thunder II GX 1360, but this one predates the GX moniker. I have not even tried this card yet. 😛  

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To top of the Thunder madness I even got a copy of the official Thunder IV Manual, soon to be scanned and posted online.

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But... there is one more thing worth showing...

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This somewhere rare SpigotPro AV will be going into my 840AV for some old school AV work, whenever I get to it.
Posted by: Trash80toHP_Mini on 2018-03-03 19:09:49
That last one has me a tad curious to see what you can do with it. The others are a bet MEH! :lol:

Posted by: Unknown_K on 2018-03-03 19:39:34
SpigotProAV is just for the 840av and for video capture, I have one.
Posted by: omidimo on 2018-03-03 20:02:38
The SpigotProAV was an improvement on the Spigot PowerAV that offered better video capture at 24-bit. I wanted one of my 840AVs to be as authentic to the era as possible. For anything more serious, I got the VideoVision Studio to use. If I ever around to it.
Posted by: uridium on 2018-03-03 20:18:07
Nice cards! Hope the drivers are archived and available somewhere for future generations 🙂

P.S The topic made me smack my forehead and struggle to suppress the choke reflex after lunch. Well done!
Posted by: MOS8_030 on 2018-03-03 20:23:00
Nice stuff! I had an 840av back in the day. It was the first new Mac I ever purchased. I flogged it for about three years and replaced it with an 8500.

I sold the 840av for about $1100 to a guy who had a recording studio. He had about four 840's he was using as DAW's. (His software needed the DSP.)

I ran into the guy about five years later and he was still running his 840av setup in his studio.
Posted by: omidimo on 2018-03-03 22:56:23
Nice cards! Hope the drivers are archived and available somewhere for future generations 🙂


Luckily the drivers have been floating online for a while, but I will scan the manuals and post them on the repository just in case bundled with disk images.
Posted by: Bolle on 2018-03-03 23:00:33
Wow :O

That's Nubus dreamland right there.

Reminds me I have to check my Thunder IV 1360 for differences to the 1600. If it's only missing VRAM that's not going to stop me. :evil:

Posted by: nickpunt on 2018-03-03 23:39:07
Interesting... Bolle, does yours look like this? I thought I had a 1152 but it doesn't look like omidomo's 1152 - it looks like a 1600 with half the ram. Maybe this is a 1360? Never found an image online of this particular Thunder IV variant. 

EDIT: looks like mine is a Thunder/24 GT because of the assembly number, according to this Radius Thunder FAQ.

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Posted by: omidimo on 2018-03-03 23:54:27
This might help decipher some things, source is the Thunder IV manual.

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Posted by: beachycove on 2018-03-04 12:57:02
The 840av card is a pre-processor used to allow the 840av to do 640x480 30fps video capture, which is something a stock 840av cannot actually do. I think it's at 256 colours, even with the card, but that is from memory.

I have one in my 840av, which I too am going to return to, once I get a round tuit. Recapping the thing is needed to start with. Years ago, the board was washed but not more. It worked that way for a while, and then started to misbehave. I put it on the shelf until I had better soldering equipment to hand -- did not want to ruin the thing. Now that I have the equipment, all I need is the time!
Posted by: omidimo on 2018-03-04 14:42:36
This Spigot on paper did a lot for the 840AV... see the box says so, and we all know boxes never lie!  😛

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I know its mostly a gimmick of a product, but the 840AV was to my LC what a Ferrari was to a Honda, so its nice to have a period-perfect unit, but having said that I stuck in an AsanteFast 10/100 card in there, so maybe I broke my own rules. 
Posted by: beachycove on 2018-03-05 06:51:59
Ah, millions! There were two of these cards, mind. Maybe I have the low end one.
Posted by: omidimo on 2018-03-05 13:05:40
You might be talking about SuperMac SpigotPowerAV. 

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Posted by: olePigeon on 2018-03-05 14:12:36
Nice cards.  I have a Thunder II GX 1600 sitting in a box because it doesn't support 4-bit color. 🙁

I'd really like to get the Radius version at some point, that one does 4-bit.
Posted by: trag on 2018-03-06 16:41:11
Wow :O

That's Nubus dreamland right there.

Reminds me I have to check my Thunder IV 1360 for differences to the 1600. If it's only missing VRAM that's not going to stop me. :evil:


I have a couple of 1360s.   I took a stab at this several years ago, and decided it was not simple, but I don't remember what I found at the time.   The VRAM probably would have been easier to find back then.

Please let us know what you figure out.

The Thunder 24/GT should be the same as the Thunder IV GX 1152 without the DSP accelerator daughtercard, according to someone (Radius, Mac mags) way back in the 90s.   Darn, my memory is growing holes.

Edit   Oh, just read further down and according to the table that omidimo posted, the 1600 and the 1360 have the same amount of VRAM.   That would seem to make very little sense.    Different RAMDACs maybe?    Need to peel up the shiny label near the monitor connector and check.
Posted by: Trash80toHP_Mini on 2018-03-06 17:11:09
There was a similar problem when I tried to "jailbreak" the Radius PrecisionColor 8-XJ to do something somethingorother that should have been possible given its VRAM complement. Swapping in the Declaration ROM from the PrecisionColor Pro 24AC didn't do the trick. IIRC the RAMDAC part Numbers were different. IIRC the card worked fine as an 8XJ with the 24AC ROM on board.
Posted by: trag on 2018-03-06 21:37:25
Yes, supporting the high resolutions at greater color depth means converting more bits from digital to analog at high data rates.  That's a function of faster/bigger/better RAMDAC chip.

You'd be lucky to find the old RAMDACs they used any more, I would guess, though I haven't looked.  The thing that really stabs the irony poignard into one's heart is that TI sells a line of ridiculously capable RAMDACs (24 bit X HD resolution capable) for less than $10/chip these days.  THS8133, THS8134, THS8135, and THS8200.  Almost certainly not pin compatible with what's on the old video cards and it would be a miracle if the CLUT and internal registers were compatible, I think. 
Posted by: beachycove on 2018-03-07 06:11:51
the irony poignard
Which chip is that?  😛

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