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Appletalk between IIc and Classic II
Posted by: UNA_Lion on 2013-04-29 07:39:49
Howdy!

Will soon acquire an Apple //c Plus, and have a Macintosh Classic II running OS 7.5.5. Am able to Appletalk between the Classic II and my Powerbook 3400c, and can get both machines WWW access through LAN (the Classic II through an Asante adaptor).

So... Did a search for this but came up empty: Can you run Appletalk (or something like it) on a //c Plus in order to swap files between it and a classic Macintosh, and if so what's the set up? Thanks!
Posted by: krye on 2013-04-29 07:59:07
Why not just use ADT Pro and skip the Classic Mac altogether?

I tried it on my Apple II and //c and it works great.
Posted by: UNA_Lion on 2013-04-29 08:00:59
Well, I have a classic Mac, and I don't have ADT Pro.

What would be the costs associated with my getting ADT Pro and associated equipment, vice using what I already have - and what would be the gain to make it worth my while?
Posted by: david__schmidt on 2013-04-29 08:55:13
Well, I have a classic Mac, and I don't have ADT Pro.
It's not possible to do Appletalk on the IIc+, which is why you're coming up empty. And depending on what other hardware you already have... ADTPro is free as in beer as well as in liberty.

What would be the costs associated with my getting ADT Pro and associated equipment, vice using what I already have
You would need a null modem cable if you don't already have one, and you'd need a USB-serial adapter if you don't already have one.
and what would be the gain to make it worth my while?
Uh... you could communicate to the IIc+, whereas now you cannot? ;-)

Posted by: UNA_Lion on 2013-04-29 08:58:33
So it's impossible to communicate between an Apple IIc Plus and a classic Macintosh?

If so, really surprised nobody found a way to make that happen within the past twenty-five years.

Do appreciate the information you provided, but was really hoping to find a way to make the comms between my Classic II and Apple IIc a reality.
Posted by: david__schmidt on 2013-04-29 09:22:35
Nothing is impossible. There is a version of ADT (pre-ADTPro) that runs on the classic mac. You'd need a printer cable (an 8-pin mini-DIN null modem, essentially) for that. If you have that cable, you could also do file-by-file transfers via a telecomms program on both ends - but I suspect that's not really what you want to do, since there's hardly any large-scale filesystems you can hook to a IIc+. You're basically restricted to the 800k floppy.
Posted by: UNA_Lion on 2013-04-29 09:28:24
You'd need a printer cable (an 8-pin mini-DIN null modem, essentially) for that.
Have one! I use it for Appletalk between the Classic II and my Powerbook. Will have to see if I can find the ADT for classic Macs.

May do the newer version of ADT later, but really just want to see what all I can do between the Classic II and the Apple Iic. Heck, got the Classic II up on a web browser - not because it was useful, but because I could.
Posted by: krye on 2013-04-29 09:29:45
Did you follow the link to my site that I posted up top? It's really easy. You just need a USB/serial adapter. You can get them on eBay for nothing.
Posted by: UNA_Lion on 2013-04-29 09:31:28
Your link spoke to comms between a modern machine and the Apple //c, vice a classic Macintosh running pre OS X. At least that's what I recall seeing, but I'll look again.
Posted by: david__schmidt on 2013-04-29 09:59:27
Will have to see if I can find the ADT for classic Macs.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/adtpro/files/dos-adt/ADT%202007_2/

Inside the DOS ADT package you will find MacADT.sit.
Posted by: UNA_Lion on 2013-04-29 15:25:10
Inside the DOS ADT package you will find MacADT.sit.
Thanks. Have it on my Classic II (and PowerBook), so now have to wait for my Apple //c to arrive. 🙂

Posted by: jruschme on 2013-04-29 15:30:45
Didn't Apple File Exchange support 3.5" ProDos disks back in the day?
Posted by: UNA_Lion on 2013-04-29 15:55:46
Didn't Apple File Exchange support 3.5" ProDos disks back in the day?
So I may be able to exchange FDDs directly between the machines? If so, assuming I'd need an extra program to pull that off, right?
Posted by: Mk.558 on 2013-04-29 18:25:23
The only II that will speak AppleTalk is the IIGS.

A Uther card has a RJ45 Ethernet jack. Contiki OS is used to make it work -- I'm not sure if the card is supported by a IIc+.
Posted by: david__schmidt on 2013-04-29 18:45:14
So I may be able to exchange FDDs directly between the machines? If so, assuming I'd need an extra program to pull that off, right?
Yes, Apple File Exchange (on the Mac) is just such a program.

A[n] Uther card has a RJ45 Ethernet jack. Contiki OS [or ADTPro] is used to make it work -- I'm not sure if the card is supported by a IIc+.
No IIc or IIc+ can host an external card. The Laser 128, a IIc compatible, could... but that's a horse of another color.
Posted by: Blinkenlightz on 2013-04-29 19:25:11
The only II that will speak AppleTalk is the IIGS.
Or the IIe with an Apple II Workstation Card - which, unfortunately, will not help on a IIc either...
Posted by: UNA_Lion on 2013-04-29 20:25:51
Thanks for the heads-up, folks. This IIc is going to be both a challenge and fun. Short story time:

When I was mowing lawns in my junior year of HS, one of my customers had a //c. I gushed over it, and so he made me a deal: If I cut his lawns enough times, I'd get the //c instead of the usual payment. After gladly accepting, really looked forward to getting that machine. Alas, I'd signed up for the Army Reserve and had to ship off to Basic Training before I could close the deal, and the fellow just paid me what he owed.

So, here I am - retired from the Army with time and some money (though less than I'd hoped) on my hands - so getting this machine will be a long wish fulfilled.
Posted by: UNA_Lion on 2013-05-01 20:13:22
Special thanks to david!

Got this bird up and running:



Lots of fun ahead!
Posted by: magnusfalkirk on 2013-05-01 21:17:49
Glad to hear that you have the //c up and running and are able to enjoy using it. Welcome back to the wonderful world of the Apple II.
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