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Posted by: Huxley on 2007-11-30 20:27:49
I'm doing some digging in Google for info about the latest additions to my Mac collection, and I found this interesting dialog comparing the graphics speed of the Mac SE/30 to those of the Mac IIfx. Interestingly, the page explains how and why the SE/30 (with a PDS video card) will handily out-perform a IIfx at video operations.
Knowing the reputation the IIfx has as the "Wicked Fast" machine of its era, I was quite surprised by this info!
Here's the link:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=6421
Enjoy!
Huxley
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Posted by: equant on 2007-11-30 21:45:21
... and the suspense is killing me... Did anyone ever make a IIfx PDS card?
Nathan
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Posted by: Unknown_K on 2007-11-30 21:52:10
2 companies made PDS cards (processor upgrades) for the IIfx:
Performance/040 (33 MHz)
TokaMac II FX 33
There was also a SCSI card made for the IIfx PDS:
Storage Dimensions Data Cannon
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Posted by: Anonymous Freak on 2007-12-01 01:12:17
One thing to note is that this was comparing a "dumb" PDS video card vs. a "dumb" NuBus video card. An accelerated NuBus video card should handily beat the PDS video card. (I don't know if any of the PDS video cards were accelerate or not, I'm sure someone can answer. But if there were, then it would depend mostly on the speed of the accelerator, not on the bus speed.)
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Posted by: TylerEss on 2007-12-01 18:55:33
You're close there, but not quite.
For accelerated options like scrolling, dragging, or QuickDraw primitives, the accelerated card will beat the dumb framebuffer hands-down. On the other hand, if we're talking about blitting data from memory into the frame buffer, all that fancy acceleration is for naught, and it's dominated by bandwidth between memory and framebuffer... so the dumb PDS card will beat the accelerated NuBus card.
I've got an accelerated PDS card: the SuperMac Spectrum 8/24 PDQ si. It's the same as the NuBus card, but it's an '030 PDS card.
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Posted by: Unknown_K on 2007-12-01 21:51:42
Did the Spectrum 8/24 PDQ Si need a special angled bracket for the IIsi slot (was wondering why I have a IIsi Supermac branded PDS adapter)?
Ever test to see which one was faster (Nubus vs PDS)?
I don't think early PDS slots with their slow RAM speed were that much faster then Nubus cards using block transfers.
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Posted by: TylerEss on 2007-12-02 01:03:24
It did, actually! I haven't ever tested them, but it'd be fun, methinks.
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Posted by: samurai-j on 2007-12-16 08:14:40
2 companies made PDS cards (processor upgrades) for the IIfx:
Performance/040 (33 MHz)
TokaMac II FX 33
There was also a SCSI card made for the IIfx PDS:
Storage Dimensions Data Cannon
You know well. It is wonderful! [🙂] ]'>
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Posted by: Unknown_K on 2007-12-16 11:06:54
2 companies made PDS cards (processor upgrades) for the IIfx:
Performance/040 (33 MHz)
TokaMac II FX 33
There was also a SCSI card made for the IIfx PDS:
Storage Dimensions Data Cannon
You know well. It is wonderful! [🙂] ]'>
They are all rare.
The TokaMac II FX I have, but none of my IIfx motherboards were modified for it to work.
The performance/040 I almost had my hands on two of them but the owner ended up tossing them (stupid wife) before he could ship them, he had to move in a hurry. I read that they were very slow anyway.
Never got close to getting the Data Cannon for the IIfx, but I do have the Quadra PDS version of that card.
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Posted by: samurai-j on 2007-12-16 14:21:48
2 companies made PDS cards (processor upgrades) for the IIfx:
Performance/040 (33 MHz)
TokaMac II FX 33
There was also a SCSI card made for the IIfx PDS:
Storage Dimensions Data Cannon
You know well. It is wonderful! [🙂] ]'>
They are all rare.
The TokaMac II FX I have, but none of my IIfx motherboards were modified for it to work.
The performance/040 I almost had my hands on two of them but the owner ended up tossing them (stupid wife) before he could ship them, he had to move in a hurry. I read that they were very slow anyway.
Never got close to getting the Data Cannon for the IIfx, but I do have the Quadra PDS version of that card.
Wow! I want to hear it a little more by a very interesting story. [🙂] ]'>
Do you have TokaMac II FX !? 8-o
TokaMac II FX is necessary for the logic board remodeling, and operates by setting 2 pieces of the card and logic.
Impossible operation is very regrettable. Please value it even if it doesn't move.
Do you have the driver software of Performance/040?
I am looking for the driver software.
It is Data Cannon/PDS SCSI card only for "68000 company" product and IIfx.
Quadra version is not PDS but NuBus, and has the memory that is OEM product of ATTO / SiliconExpress II.
Because it is a machine translation, I'm sorry. [|)] ]'>
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Posted by: Unknown_K on 2007-12-16 15:08:04
I do not have the drivers for the Performance/040, but it should be the same card as the Applied Engineering Transwarp 040 if you can find drivers for that.
The company that made the Data Cannon was Storage Dimensions. They made a Nubus and PDS version Dual SCSI card for Quadras as well called the MacinStor Speedarray which was sold with the Radius Videovision. Storage Dimensions sold their Mac SCSI line to Micronet and called it the Micronet Raven Pro (I have the PDS version of that SCSI card).
Since many companies that made Mac upgrades were purchased by other companies you will find a couple names for the same exact product depending who owned it at the time.
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Posted by: samurai-j on 2007-12-17 05:25:40
It is the same product as Transwarp040.
Because it doesn't have the driver, it is not possible to operate. (Give up [xx(] ]'> )
The Data Cannon card was made by the Storage Dimensions company.
It was equipped with Data Cannon/PDS in Dash30fx though there was a
workstation named Dash30fx based on IIfx in the past.
Because the manufacturing manufacturer name of Dash30fx was a company named
68000, I misunderstood it.
As for it, it did not know the PDS SCSI card for Quadras had existed.
Both ATTO SiliconExpress II of the NuBus version and Micronet Raven Pro of the PDS
version might have been Storage Dimensions products.
I have a card that likes IIfx and is special of several pieces.
Data Cannon/PDS (It is possible to operate)
Nexus fx/030/55MHz/2nd Cache128KB (It is possible to operate)
Transwarp040 (There is no driver)
TokaMac II FX(It is possible to operate)
Thank you variously for an interesting story. [🙂] ]'>
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Posted by: Unknown_K on 2007-12-17 09:35:19
Do you have pictures of those cards?
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Posted by: samurai-j on 2007-12-18 06:38:20
Do you have pictures of those cards? The card is not preserved in home,
and preserved in my parents' houses.
So I need time.
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Posted by: Unknown_K on 2007-12-18 07:45:34
http://picasaweb.google.com/teozenios/NubusCards
These are most of my cards, I have more to add (video capture and accelerators).
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Posted by: samurai-j on 2007-12-20 00:36:38
Wonderful collection. [😉] ]'>
I have closed due to the breakdown of the
server though I had the homepage before.
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Posted by: samurai-j on 2008-02-10 08:12:59
It has slowed.
The photograph of the card has been taken because it went to parents' houses.
TokaMac II FX
http://upload.pv3.org/file/100.jpg
http://upload.pv3.org/file/101.jpg
http://upload.pv3.org/file/102.jpg
Chip of logic board [8)] ]'>
Nexus fx
http://upload.pv3.org/file/103.jpg
http://upload.pv3.org/file/104.jpg
Installation by hand work [😉] ]'>
Transwarp040
http://upload.pv3.org/file/105.jpg
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Posted by: Unknown_K on 2008-02-10 12:08:38
Links don't work for me. Can you email them to powermac@neo.rr.com?
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Posted by: TylerEss on 2008-02-10 16:49:30
That's interesting that the TransWarp 040 is a NuBus card... does it have similar compatibility problems as the Radius Rocket?
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